Comments on: Illustrating the Sweet Spot http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/ Learning stuff since 1964 Sat, 12 May 2012 00:27:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: PowerPoint Templates http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34160 PowerPoint Templates Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:49:47 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34160 It is a shame that the sweet spot is so small, but the idea makes sense. Filtering tools are becoming more important so that people can quickly and easily drill down to the sweet sport. It is a shame that the sweet spot is so small, but the idea makes sense. Filtering tools are becoming more important so that people can quickly and easily drill down to the sweet sport.

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34080 Dean Shareski Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:39:48 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34080 Randy, I'm sure I won't capture the entire essence of the idea. I agree the container idea misrepresents the concept but hopefully I can illustrate my idea in some type of graphic. Randy,

I’m sure I won’t capture the entire essence of the idea. I agree the container idea misrepresents the concept but hopefully I can illustrate my idea in some type of graphic.

]]> By: Randy Nolan http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34079 Randy Nolan Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:15:29 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34079 i just finished Latour's _Reassembling the Social_, and he's made me really nervous about representing "the social" with any kind of container. I'd be really interested to see if anyone could do a visual of your idea, Dean, using the idea of connections/associations as a network. i just finished Latour’s _Reassembling the Social_, and he’s made me really nervous about representing “the social” with any kind of container. I’d be really interested to see if anyone could do a visual of your idea, Dean, using the idea of connections/associations as a network.

]]> By: Ann Oro http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34060 Ann Oro Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:11:56 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34060 I spent some time looking for Creative Commons images on Flickr yesterday and played around with your concept in Gimp. It's getting more on target with your idea by my third go around under the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/njtechteacher/tags/2010venn/" rel="nofollow">tag 2010venn</a>. I think I am beginning to understand what you are saying in <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/njtechteacher/4351933117/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">my latest attempt</a>. Students see their social network as interesting and the place to be. I took some status updates from my son's Facebook stream and did a little editing on them to represent the social network aspect. The academic was fairly easy - a book. The middle ground of social learning is represented by a group holding hands. I have the images bookmarked and the Gimp file is available if you want to play around with this image further. I will be very interested in seeing your final rendition. It was fun throwing the idea around in my head. I spent some time looking for Creative Commons images on Flickr yesterday and played around with your concept in Gimp. It’s getting more on target with your idea by my third go around under the tag 2010venn.

I think I am beginning to understand what you are saying in my latest attempt. Students see their social network as interesting and the place to be. I took some status updates from my son’s Facebook stream and did a little editing on them to represent the social network aspect. The academic was fairly easy – a book. The middle ground of social learning is represented by a group holding hands. I have the images bookmarked and the Gimp file is available if you want to play around with this image further.

I will be very interested in seeing your final rendition. It was fun throwing the idea around in my head.

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34056 uberVU - social comments Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:38:44 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34056 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by shareski: I have something to share(ski). Illustrating the Sweet Spot read it here if you like http://bit.ly/cm3HDd... Social comments and analytics for this post…

This post was mentioned on Twitter by shareski: I have something to share(ski). Illustrating the Sweet Spot read it here if you like http://bit.ly/cm3HDd…

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34047 Dean Shareski Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:06:11 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34047 As Clay Shirky says, it used to be a Filter then Publish World, now it's Publish then Filter. As Clay Shirky says, it used to be a Filter then Publish World, now it’s Publish then Filter.

]]> By: Elaine http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34046 Elaine Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:07:48 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34046 Ummm...not sure how that "Elaine's last blog...Info Regarding Beef Products" got under my last comment...leads to our district website's lunch menu webpage LOL!!! (Oh I see now...it's a check box under the comment field that I didn't uncheck. Not sure how it thought that was a blog post of mine though...gave me a chuckle though!) Ummm…not sure how that “Elaine’s last blog…Info Regarding Beef Products” got under my last comment…leads to our district website’s lunch menu webpage LOL!!! (Oh I see now…it’s a check box under the comment field that I didn’t uncheck. Not sure how it thought that was a blog post of mine though…gave me a chuckle though!)

]]> By: Elaine http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34045 Elaine Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:33 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34045 Oh...and one more thought...what a model of not having the "right" answer before you published your thoughts!!! The collaboration only continues to shape it and make it stronger :). .-= Elaine´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.fifeschools.com/depts/foodservice/menu/index.html" rel="nofollow">Info Regarding Beef Products</a> =-. Oh…and one more thought…what a model of not having the “right” answer before you published your thoughts!!! The collaboration only continues to shape it and make it stronger :) .
.-= Elaine´s last blog ..Info Regarding Beef Products =-.

]]> By: Elaine http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34044 Elaine Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:24 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34044 I have so enjoyed this virtual thinking/collaborating process today via this post. Follow this path of social networking and learning today: 1. I read Dean's tweet about this blog post. 2. I share blog post via emailed link with Kevin, Dr. Steve McCammon (my Superintendent), and George Thompson (President/COO of Schlechty Center). 3. Kevin continues the conversation with us via email and begins to draft a new picture regarding his thoughts. 4. Kevin posts here as a comment - He and Dean now begin to interact some more. Kevin and I are also talking in the hallway of our district offices. More emails continue, too. 5. I'm now sending a tweet about this redirecting people back to Dean's post. Such a great example of exactly the type of learning you are trying to describe here Dean :). Elaine (www.twitter.com/fifewow) I have so enjoyed this virtual thinking/collaborating process today via this post.
Follow this path of social networking and learning today:
1. I read Dean’s tweet about this blog post.
2. I share blog post via emailed link with Kevin, Dr. Steve McCammon (my Superintendent), and George Thompson (President/COO of Schlechty Center).
3. Kevin continues the conversation with us via email and begins to draft a new picture regarding his thoughts.
4. Kevin posts here as a comment – He and Dean now begin to interact some more. Kevin and I are also talking in the hallway of our district offices. More emails continue, too.
5. I’m now sending a tweet about this redirecting people back to Dean’s post.
Such a great example of exactly the type of learning you are trying to describe here Dean :) .
Elaine
(www.twitter.com/fifewow)

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34041 Dean Shareski Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:33:48 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34041 It actually captures in more detail my thinking. You've nicely laid out some continuums that I hadn't considered. The one think I think yours and mine both lack is a clear visual of that "sweet spot". Yours is more clear but too abstract for my purpose, mine is not clear either and lacks the focused singular message, if there is one. One of my intentions is to show that kids largely are focused on the social and that school largely focuses on the learning in isolated settings. Bridging those two is the sweet spot I'm trying to illustrate.It's going to show social networking as the more important for our students. It actually captures in more detail my thinking. You’ve nicely laid out some continuums that I hadn’t considered. The one think I think yours and mine both lack is a clear visual of that “sweet spot”. Yours is more clear but too abstract for my purpose, mine is not clear either and lacks the focused singular message, if there is one. One of my intentions is to show that kids largely are focused on the social and that school largely focuses on the learning in isolated settings. Bridging those two is the sweet spot I’m trying to illustrate.It’s going to show social networking as the more important for our students.

]]> By: Kevin http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34040 Kevin Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:12:50 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34040 So going back to your original thought of finding the sweet spot, where would you put that on here? So going back to your original thought of finding the sweet spot, where would you put that on here?

]]> By: Kevin http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34039 Kevin Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:00:25 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34039 And both the types and locations of the labels in the center of the diagram would be an interesting group exercise to work through. And both the types and locations of the labels in the center of the diagram would be an interesting group exercise to work through.

]]> By: Kevin http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34038 Kevin Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:54:54 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34038 Threw something together here: http://www.fifeschools.com/depts/tech/InteractionandContentDiagram.html Still very much a thought in progress. Your thoughts? KJ Threw something together here: http://www.fifeschools.com/depts/tech/InteractionandContentDiagram.html

Still very much a thought in progress. Your thoughts?
KJ

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34035 Dean Shareski Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:59:46 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34035 That's pretty good. The one idea I wanted to make more explicit is that for now, most of our students attention and focus is the social side, thus it's a larger section, but that is definitely some research I'll examine more. Thanks pal. That’s pretty good. The one idea I wanted to make more explicit is that for now, most of our students attention and focus is the social side, thus it’s a larger section, but that is definitely some research I’ll examine more. Thanks pal.

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34034 Dean Shareski Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:57:40 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34034 I agree. I'm not trying to separate the school from non-school but rather the individualized learning from the social networking and finding the intersect. I agree. I’m not trying to separate the school from non-school but rather the individualized learning from the social networking and finding the intersect.

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34033 Dean Shareski Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:56:37 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34033 I'm a visual learner Kevin, would love to see a mock up of that. I’m a visual learner Kevin, would love to see a mock up of that.

]]> By: Kevin http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34031 Kevin Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:55:55 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34031 I would argue that almost all learning is social in some way. Reading a textbook by yourself is still "interacting" with the author(s) of the book even though that interaction is very static and unidirectional. I picture a 2 dimensional diagram where the horizontal axis represents interaction. The left side of the spectrum is static, one way, traditional, structured. The right side of the spectrum is dynamic, 2+ way, changing, messy, real-time. The vertical axis represents the content. Top would be traditional academic content. The bottom would be everyday life (not thinking of a good way to describe that). Now you can place different learning contexts into that 2D space. Traditional book learning would be in the upper left. Traditional media would be in the lower left. Online classes would be in the upper right. Social networking in the lower right. Then there would be all flavors of learning situations that sit somewhere between the extremes in both directions. I would argue that almost all learning is social in some way. Reading a textbook by yourself is still “interacting” with the author(s) of the book even though that interaction is very static and unidirectional.

I picture a 2 dimensional diagram where the horizontal axis represents interaction. The left side of the spectrum is static, one way, traditional, structured. The right side of the spectrum is dynamic, 2+ way, changing, messy, real-time.

The vertical axis represents the content. Top would be traditional academic content. The bottom would be everyday life (not thinking of a good way to describe that).

Now you can place different learning contexts into that 2D space. Traditional book learning would be in the upper left. Traditional media would be in the lower left. Online classes would be in the upper right. Social networking in the lower right. Then there would be all flavors of learning situations that sit somewhere between the extremes in both directions.

]]> By: wmchamberlain http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34030 wmchamberlain Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:54:24 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34030 I think the problem lies in trying to separate learning into school and non school spaces. Our schools are too compartmentalized physically which leads to society compartmentalizing what schools do. Learning is learning, do we assume there is more value in what is learned at school than outside? It seems to me there are too many examples that show the opposite to be true. Besides, who would you choose to decide what is important to learn or even when to do the learning? The fact that our curriculum is handed down to us is not very satisfying to me and definitely doesn't seem to ring true to most of my students. What if students could determine when and from whom they learn? .-= wmchamberlain´s last blog ..<a href="http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/student-reflection-yessy-on-her-science.html" rel="nofollow">Student Reflection: Yessy on Her Science Fair Project</a> =-. I think the problem lies in trying to separate learning into school and non school spaces. Our schools are too compartmentalized physically which leads to society compartmentalizing what schools do. Learning is learning, do we assume there is more value in what is learned at school than outside? It seems to me there are too many examples that show the opposite to be true. Besides, who would you choose to decide what is important to learn or even when to do the learning? The fact that our curriculum is handed down to us is not very satisfying to me and definitely doesn’t seem to ring true to most of my students. What if students could determine when and from whom they learn?
.-= wmchamberlain´s last blog ..Student Reflection: Yessy on Her Science Fair Project =-.

]]> By: Rob Wall http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34029 Rob Wall Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:52:48 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34029 I'm not sure if this is exactly what your are meaning, Dean, or if it might give you some food for thought by Terry Anderson, Randy Garrison and Walter Archer did some research about 10 years ago that they developed into a <a href="http://www.communitiesofinquiry.com/" rel="nofollow">model of communities of inquiry</a>. Their model is a great framework for thinking about social learning in an online context and really got me thinking of how some of the online communication tools like blogging and twitter work as the social presence element for CoI. I’m not sure if this is exactly what your are meaning, Dean, or if it might give you some food for thought by Terry Anderson, Randy Garrison and Walter Archer did some research about 10 years ago that they developed into a model of communities of inquiry. Their model is a great framework for thinking about social learning in an online context and really got me thinking of how some of the online communication tools like blogging and twitter work as the social presence element for CoI.

]]> By: Chris Prout http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34027 Chris Prout Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:25:24 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34027 I would add a third circle to represent traditional schooling. This way the sweet spot contains all forms of learning. .-= Chris Prout´s last blog ..<a href="http://cprout.edublogs.org/2010/01/28/c-is-for-cookie/" rel="nofollow">C Is For Cookie</a> =-. I would add a third circle to represent traditional schooling. This way the sweet spot contains all forms of learning.
.-= Chris Prout´s last blog ..C Is For Cookie =-.

]]> By: John Pederson http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34026 John Pederson Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:19:56 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34026 Said diagram needs more kittens and possibly a drop shadow. On a serious note, I like the idea and will use it. .-= John Pederson´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ijohnpederson.com/2010/02/googles-new-experimental-fiber-network/" rel="nofollow">Google’s new experimental fiber network.</a> =-. Said diagram needs more kittens and possibly a drop shadow.

On a serious note, I like the idea and will use it.
.-= John Pederson´s last blog ..Google’s new experimental fiber network. =-.

]]> By: Diane Cordell http://ideasandthoughts.org/2010/02/11/illustrating-the-sweet-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-34025 Diane Cordell Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:04:49 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=895#comment-34025 "New understandings" instead of "Academic content"...with the "sweet spot" being new understandings gained through social networking? .-= Diane Cordell´s last blog ..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2010/02/library-advocacy.html" rel="nofollow">Library Advocacy</a> =-. “New understandings” instead of “Academic content”…with the “sweet spot” being new understandings gained through social networking?
.-= Diane Cordell´s last blog ..Library Advocacy =-.

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