Comments on: Why Audience Matters http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/ I'm here to learn, join me Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:08:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nursery Admissions in Delhi Schools 2009 2010 2011 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33425 Nursery Admissions in Delhi Schools 2009 2010 2011 Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:05:20 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33425 Wow, thanks for this. You seem to be quite the expert in this category. I’ll stop by more often. Wow, thanks for this. You seem to be quite the expert in this category. I’ll stop by more often.

]]> By: Ереван http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33333 Ереван Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:32:40 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33333 было очень интересно! было очень интересно!

]]> By: Does audience matter? « Its All About Kids http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33299 Does audience matter? « Its All About Kids Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:59:17 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33299 [...] Shareski’s comment decomposes the core of the statement by defining the different types of audiences.  1)  Audience [...] [...] Shareski’s comment decomposes the core of the statement by defining the different types of audiences.  1)  Audience [...]

]]> By: Building Understanding » Do creepy people only surf the web? http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33207 Building Understanding » Do creepy people only surf the web? Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:55:58 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33207 [...] by the return to the cross-linking blog post conversation, like the Lehmann (via status update) to Shareski to Fisher to  Utecht to Warlick posts about the value of audience, I’d like to bring [...] [...] by the return to the cross-linking blog post conversation, like the Lehmann (via status update) to Shareski to Fisher to  Utecht to Warlick posts about the value of audience, I’d like to bring [...]

]]> By: craig http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33197 craig Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:38:24 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33197 Hi, Thanks for this wonderful post, I will certainly be watching for more. Cheers Hi, Thanks for this wonderful post, I will certainly be watching for more.
Cheers

]]> By: פוסט עם תקציר http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33181 פוסט עם תקציר Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:47:35 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33181 [...] דין שרסקי כותב שהוא מזדהה עם האמירה של להמן. הוא מציין שלעתים קרובות קהל הקוראים שמורים מצליחים לגייס לכתיבה של תלמידיהם מלאכותי, ואפילו מאולץ. בגלל זה, ההתרגשות מכך שמישהו בצד השני של העולם קורא את מה שתלמיד כותב נמוגה מהר. אבל שרסקי בכל זאת מנסה להבחין בין סוגים שונים של קהלים: יש, כמובן, הקהל שנמדד במספר הקוראים בלבד, אבל יש גם מה שהוא מכנה "קהל כמורים" וגם "קהל כשותפים". הוא מסביר ש-"קהל כמורים" איננו ניחן בעליית מונה המבקרים באתר, אלא בתגובות שמכוונות את הכותב ומדרבנות אותו לשפר את מה שכתב. עזרה מהסוג הזה יכולה להיות די אקראית. לעומת זאת, כאשר יש "קהל כשותפים" לא מדובר בביקורת חד-פעמית או מקרית, אלא בתלמידים שקוראים ומגיבים אלה לאלה, ומבינים שהביקורת הזאת היא חלק חשוב מתהליך הלמידה. [...] [...] דין שרסקי כותב שהוא מזדהה עם האמירה של להמן. הוא מציין שלעתים קרובות קהל הקוראים שמורים מצליחים לגייס לכתיבה של תלמידיהם מלאכותי, ואפילו מאולץ. בגלל זה, ההתרגשות מכך שמישהו בצד השני של העולם קורא את מה שתלמיד כותב נמוגה מהר. אבל שרסקי בכל זאת מנסה להבחין בין סוגים שונים של קהלים: יש, כמובן, הקהל שנמדד במספר הקוראים בלבד, אבל יש גם מה שהוא מכנה "קהל כמורים" וגם "קהל כשותפים". הוא מסביר ש-"קהל כמורים" איננו ניחן בעליית מונה המבקרים באתר, אלא בתגובות שמכוונות את הכותב ומדרבנות אותו לשפר את מה שכתב. עזרה מהסוג הזה יכולה להיות די אקראית. לעומת זאת, כאשר יש "קהל כשותפים" לא מדובר בביקורת חד-פעמית או מקרית, אלא בתלמידים שקוראים ומגיבים אלה לאלה, ומבינים שהביקורת הזאת היא חלק חשוב מתהליך הלמידה. [...]

]]> By: Christian Long http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33168 Christian Long Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:42:08 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33168 Digging your last line:  "Audience for the sake of audience is fleeting. Audience for the sake of learning is lasting." Pondering here... It has to be as Chris Lehmann (and others) say about technology. The ultimate goal is that tech is ubiquitous so that we don't have to discuss it (or fret/frenzy over it).  Suppose that is to be true of audience in time, too.  Right now you may be right that any eyeballs are already a magnification of what occurs in traditional classrooms; hard to spite the teacher who worries about the dots on a ClusterMap.  But in time, I truly hope that we will no longer be amazed that someone from 'far away' visited a 'blog' (after all, location matters not a bit when its all *one* Internet).  Instead, we need to shift to 'quality' being the point of both the content our student-learners create and the way our audiences respond (and mash-up) what we create. Anything else is just playground-level semantic tetherball. Digging your last line:  "Audience for the sake of audience is fleeting. Audience for the sake of learning is lasting."
Pondering here…
It has to be as Chris Lehmann (and others) say about technology. The ultimate goal is that tech is ubiquitous so that we don't have to discuss it (or fret/frenzy over it). 
Suppose that is to be true of audience in time, too.  Right now you may be right that any eyeballs are already a magnification of what occurs in traditional classrooms; hard to spite the teacher who worries about the dots on a ClusterMap. 
But in time, I truly hope that we will no longer be amazed that someone from 'far away' visited a 'blog' (after all, location matters not a bit when its all *one* Internet).  Instead, we need to shift to 'quality' being the point of both the content our student-learners create and the way our audiences respond (and mash-up) what we create.
Anything else is just playground-level semantic tetherball.

]]> By: forex signal service http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33148 forex signal service Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:07:19 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33148 I agree to this audience always matters. As they are our real appreciatives. I agree to this audience always matters. As they are our real appreciatives.

]]> By: The Shifting Power of the Online Audience » iThinkEducation.net! http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33141 The Shifting Power of the Online Audience » iThinkEducation.net! Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:37:20 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33141 [...] his post about why audience matters, Dean Shareski breaks down the different types of audiences that posting a video on YouTube, for [...] [...] his post about why audience matters, Dean Shareski breaks down the different types of audiences that posting a video on YouTube, for [...]

]]> By: Bill Gaskins http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33134 Bill Gaskins Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:59:53 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33134 Thanks for pushing my thinking about audience as co-learners. Bill Thanks for pushing my thinking about audience as co-learners.
Bill

]]> By: Learning Solution – Online Education » Blog Archive » The Shifting Power of the Online Audience http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33133 Learning Solution – Online Education » Blog Archive » The Shifting Power of the Online Audience Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:21:35 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33133 [...] his post about why audience matters, Dean Shareski breaks down the different types of audiences that posting a video on YouTube, for [...] [...] his post about why audience matters, Dean Shareski breaks down the different types of audiences that posting a video on YouTube, for [...]

]]> By: 2¢ Worth » Community – Formerly Known as Audience http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33119 2¢ Worth » Community – Formerly Known as Audience Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:44:47 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33119 [...] educator, Dean Shareski, continues the point in a blog post, Why Audience Matters, followed by fellow Canadian (Snow Lake, Manitoba), Clarence Fisher in his post, Those Formerly [...] [...] educator, Dean Shareski, continues the point in a blog post, Why Audience Matters, followed by fellow Canadian (Snow Lake, Manitoba), Clarence Fisher in his post, Those Formerly [...]

]]> By: David Warlick http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33115 David Warlick Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:06:17 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33115 Dean, a great post.  But I'm not sure I agree with Chris' original Twitter post.  He may be right, and he's certainly in a better position than me to see it first hand.  But I've had numerous teacher-users of Class Blogmeister say that having classmates read and respond to each other's blogs is just about as motivating as having people around the world read and respond.  I suspect that the world-reach thrill of blogging might be novel and might wear off.   But it occurs to me that the power of working within an audience, as opposed to performing in front of an audience <em>(writing to the teacher, what you thing the teacher wants to read)</em>, is the <strong>power of conversation</strong>.  It's knowing that somebody <em>(even the guy in the next row)</em> is reading what you are writing <em>(not measuring it)</em>, and may respond to what you are writing, pushing you to rethink and respond back. It's the potential of adding something valuable to somebody else's thinking -- the potential of becoming valuable. Dean, a great post.  But I'm not sure I agree with Chris' original Twitter post.  He may be right, and he's certainly in a better position than me to see it first hand.  But I've had numerous teacher-users of Class Blogmeister say that having classmates read and respond to each other's blogs is just about as motivating as having people around the world read and respond.  I suspect that the world-reach thrill of blogging might be novel and might wear off.  
But it occurs to me that the power of working within an audience, as opposed to performing in front of an audience (writing to the teacher, what you thing the teacher wants to read), is the power of conversation.  It's knowing that somebody (even the guy in the next row) is reading what you are writing (not measuring it), and may respond to what you are writing, pushing you to rethink and respond back.
It's the potential of adding something valuable to somebody else's thinking — the potential of becoming valuable.

]]> By: Ann Oro http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33087 Ann Oro Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:26:16 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33087 I only see my students once or twice per week. I don't think they really think too much about the eyeball count. My son's seventh grade class was born the year the Internet really started getting on people's radar. While finding a class to work cooperatively is a bit contrived, it gives the students a more concrete sense of audience. Through Skype, they can see and talk with the students who will view their work. My fifth graders met recently with another fifth grade class who will be critiquing their podcasts. The work will live on a wiki and maybe someday someone will use it to learn about time zones. By that time, the fifth grade might be in high school or beyond. What matters to me is that they are building foundational blocks for their future. As time passes, we learn more and more about controlling your content on the web adn making choices in the license they select. It's interesing to see the difference and thinking behind when a student chooses full copyright versus creative commons or public domain. If I don't teach these concepts, I'm not sure anyone will. I was online when Chris made that statement and it's been sitting on my mental back burner. I don't think the novelty is there, but I do know that literacy surrounding the placement of media on the Internet is very important. I only see my students once or twice per week. I don't think they really think too much about the eyeball count. My son's seventh grade class was born the year the Internet really started getting on people's radar. While finding a class to work cooperatively is a bit contrived, it gives the students a more concrete sense of audience. Through Skype, they can see and talk with the students who will view their work. My fifth graders met recently with another fifth grade class who will be critiquing their podcasts. The work will live on a wiki and maybe someday someone will use it to learn about time zones. By that time, the fifth grade might be in high school or beyond. What matters to me is that they are building foundational blocks for their future. As time passes, we learn more and more about controlling your content on the web adn making choices in the license they select. It's interesing to see the difference and thinking behind when a student chooses full copyright versus creative commons or public domain. If I don't teach these concepts, I'm not sure anyone will.
I was online when Chris made that statement and it's been sitting on my mental back burner. I don't think the novelty is there, but I do know that literacy surrounding the placement of media on the Internet is very important.

]]> By: Those Formerly Known as the Audience | Remote Access http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33086 Those Formerly Known as the Audience | Remote Access Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:57:33 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33086 [...] as the Audience(This post is a response, a build on, and my thoughts in response to reading this excellent piece of writing by Dean Shareski – I hope you have read what he has to say on this [...] [...] as the Audience(This post is a response, a build on, and my thoughts in response to reading this excellent piece of writing by Dean Shareski – I hope you have read what he has to say on this [...]

]]> By: Craig http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33084 Craig Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:11:16 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33084 Thanks for the article, this will prove like useful information for my class! Thanks Thanks for the article, this will prove like useful information for my class! Thanks

]]> By: Shelley http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33072 Shelley Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:21:20 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33072 Dean, thank you... this is so thought-provoking! I recently got my evaluations back from a presentation I co-moderated in front of a large audience this fall. And even though the feedback was very positive, reflecting on the experience and reading your post has really got me wondering if I'm likely to sign up for the equivalent of standing in front of a large lecture hall again any time soon. It was hard to get beyond the "audience as eyeballs" stage with the constraints that were built into that setup. And, having been a fortunate participant in some conversations that were WAY more over towards the "let's learn together" end of the spectrum, I am strongly motivated to try to be involved in lots more of THAT. Nervous/excited for EduCon2.2, and hoping to meet you there... Dean, thank you… this is so thought-provoking! I recently got my evaluations back from a presentation I co-moderated in front of a large audience this fall. And even though the feedback was very positive, reflecting on the experience and reading your post has really got me wondering if I'm likely to sign up for the equivalent of standing in front of a large lecture hall again any time soon.
It was hard to get beyond the "audience as eyeballs" stage with the constraints that were built into that setup. And, having been a fortunate participant in some conversations that were WAY more over towards the "let's learn together" end of the spectrum, I am strongly motivated to try to be involved in lots more of THAT.
Nervous/excited for EduCon2.2, and hoping to meet you there…

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33069 uberVU - social comments Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:13:36 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33069 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by shareski: I have something to share(ski). Why Audience Matters read it here if you like http://bit.ly/3aKNff... Social comments and analytics for this post…

This post was mentioned on Twitter by shareski: I have something to share(ski). Why Audience Matters read it here if you like http://bit.ly/3aKNff...

]]> By: Tweets that mention Why Audience Matters | Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech -- Topsy.com http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/11/20/why-audience-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-33068 Tweets that mention Why Audience Matters | Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech -- Topsy.com Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:49:10 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/?p=878#comment-33068 [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Dean, Ira Socol. Ira Socol said: RT @shareski: I have something to share(ski). Why Audience Matters read it here if you like http://bit.ly/3aKNff <=important(ski) [...] [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Dean, Ira Socol. Ira Socol said: RT @shareski: I have something to share(ski). Why Audience Matters read it here if you like http://bit.ly/3aKNff <=important(ski) [...]

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