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		<title>By: Dave&#8217;s Whiteboard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shareski&#8217;s not-top list and the rage of Achilles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave&#8217;s Whiteboard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shareski&#8217;s not-top list and the rage of Achilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] school, so we called the professor Father (not Doctor) McKendrick.  I recalled him as I read a post on Dean Shareski&#8217;s Ideas and Thoughts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Critical for Ning site administrators to address spam &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical for Ning site administrators to address spam &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post last week, &#8220;Dealing with My/Our Attention and Information Issues,&#8221; is one of the best I&#8217;ve read in awhile addressing issues of &#8220;filtering&#8221; and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: assurance axa</title>
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		<dc:creator>assurance axa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thank you for this great post. There were several sentences that caught my attention. In fact, I feel ... enlightened.

It has been so long I didn&#039;t take the time to find out sense in what my job is all about. Thought aiming at the best grades and filtering information is good, more time has to be spent teaching students how to read deeper, explore and ask questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thank you for this great post. There were several sentences that caught my attention. In fact, I feel &#8230; enlightened.</p>
<p>It has been so long I didn&#8217;t take the time to find out sense in what my job is all about. Thought aiming at the best grades and filtering information is good, more time has to be spent teaching students how to read deeper, explore and ask questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaiya,

Thanks for your thoughts. I think the idea of &quot;good enough&quot; needs to be explored further. It&#039;s often gets lumped in with prioritizing but it&#039;s slightly different. Prioritizing is part of it but given the massive amounts of activity and information we deal with every day, it&#039;s important that we determine the degree to which we seek excellence and perfection as well as being happy with less. It may not even make it less important. These skills and analysis is something new we need to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaiya,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts. I think the idea of &#8220;good enough&#8221; needs to be explored further. It&#8217;s often gets lumped in with prioritizing but it&#8217;s slightly different. Prioritizing is part of it but given the massive amounts of activity and information we deal with every day, it&#8217;s important that we determine the degree to which we seek excellence and perfection as well as being happy with less. It may not even make it less important. These skills and analysis is something new we need to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaiya West</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/09/14/dealing-with-myour-attention-and-information-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-32362</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiya West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize the &quot;Sometimes Good Enough... is Good Enough&quot; was only a minor piece in your overall post, but I got more out of those few sentences than I did anything else. 
I am currently a college student, working on my undergrad degrees in secondary education. I have gone through my entire educational career pushing myself and striving for excellence (a perfect grade, the perfect source for a paper, or being a standout in the midst of an entire classroom.) As crazy as it sounds, this section of your post enlightened me, and now I see that striving for those high expectations are all good well and helped prepare me for my life right now, but I could have very easily been just as successful as successful without the high levels of self-inflicted stress.
With that introspection out of the way, I tried to picture my future classroom. I&#039;m sure without even thinking about it, I would carry those high expectations of doing your best all the time, striving for excellence, etc., onto my students. I will seriously think about your post on the days I am frustrated with my students only trying for good enough, because in all actuality, it may be the best I will get out of them.
Thanks for the great post!
Kaiya West, University of Nebraska-Kearney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize the &#8220;Sometimes Good Enough&#8230; is Good Enough&#8221; was only a minor piece in your overall post, but I got more out of those few sentences than I did anything else.<br />
I am currently a college student, working on my undergrad degrees in secondary education. I have gone through my entire educational career pushing myself and striving for excellence (a perfect grade, the perfect source for a paper, or being a standout in the midst of an entire classroom.) As crazy as it sounds, this section of your post enlightened me, and now I see that striving for those high expectations are all good well and helped prepare me for my life right now, but I could have very easily been just as successful as successful without the high levels of self-inflicted stress.<br />
With that introspection out of the way, I tried to picture my future classroom. I&#8217;m sure without even thinking about it, I would carry those high expectations of doing your best all the time, striving for excellence, etc., onto my students. I will seriously think about your post on the days I am frustrated with my students only trying for good enough, because in all actuality, it may be the best I will get out of them.<br />
Thanks for the great post!<br />
Kaiya West, University of Nebraska-Kearney</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Gallagher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,
Thanks for posting this!  I&#039;m in a class with over 30 of my teacher colleagues from varying grade levels in Reading, Massachusetts.  The class is called &quot;Expanding the Boundaries of Teaching and Learning&quot;.  We are learning about incorporating Web 2.0 into our classrooms.  Some of us are already pretty proficient and some are true beginners.  No matter where we stand now, the class promises to give us PLENTY to consider.

We all walked out of our class tonight feeling overwhelmed already, and it was only class #2!  I shared your insights from this entry with my classmates.  The hydrant picture provides a fantastic simile, too.  Hopefully it will empower them the way it has empowered me.  Filters are an important way to keep us sane (and to get what we need without getting so caught up that we forget to eat/go to bed/have face to face conversations)!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
Thanks for posting this!  I&#8217;m in a class with over 30 of my teacher colleagues from varying grade levels in Reading, Massachusetts.  The class is called &#8220;Expanding the Boundaries of Teaching and Learning&#8221;.  We are learning about incorporating Web 2.0 into our classrooms.  Some of us are already pretty proficient and some are true beginners.  No matter where we stand now, the class promises to give us PLENTY to consider.</p>
<p>We all walked out of our class tonight feeling overwhelmed already, and it was only class #2!  I shared your insights from this entry with my classmates.  The hydrant picture provides a fantastic simile, too.  Hopefully it will empower them the way it has empowered me.  Filters are an important way to keep us sane (and to get what we need without getting so caught up that we forget to eat/go to bed/have face to face conversations)!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Great point. I would be grateful if you took the time either here or on your own blog to flesh out the two more distinctly. Also do you think that both attending and attention are equally as challenging today or is attention a more longstanding issue?  Love to hear your thoughts and thanks for chiming in. You indeed are one of my filters. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Great point. I would be grateful if you took the time either here or on your own blog to flesh out the two more distinctly. Also do you think that both attending and attention are equally as challenging today or is attention a more longstanding issue?  Love to hear your thoughts and thanks for chiming in. You indeed are one of my filters. <img src='http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AMRowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMRowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the great post. Not often to I get to see myself in the mirror. I could really relate to the sections &quot;snacking vs. eating&quot; and filters. More time has to be spent teaching students (and reminding ourselves...) to slow down, read deeper, ask questions and find meaning in what we read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the great post. Not often to I get to see myself in the mirror. I could really relate to the sections &#8220;snacking vs. eating&#8221; and filters. More time has to be spent teaching students (and reminding ourselves&#8230;) to slow down, read deeper, ask questions and find meaning in what we read.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Finelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Finelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to write today.  This blog along with an interesting conversation on NPR&#039;s On Point this morning about e-memory has me yearning to stop work and just have a long discussion with some people face to face about these topics. http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/09/e-memory-and-you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to write today.  This blog along with an interesting conversation on NPR&#8217;s On Point this morning about e-memory has me yearning to stop work and just have a long discussion with some people face to face about these topics. <a href="http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/09/e-memory-and-you" rel="nofollow">http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/09/e-memory-and-you</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Craft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Craft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dean,

I think it&#039;s a good idea here to delineate attending and attention. Notice the difference.

I suspect that you&#039;ve become good at limiting your attending. To use a Gladwellian term, I suspect you thin-slice much of what comes your way and selectively choose what to attend to.

The notion of attending requires significantly more cognitive resources. Without being familiar with Shirky&#039;s work, I might posit that another aspect to a filter failure is the need for some to learn to filter out what does not require attending. To put it another way, folks just entering need to learn to skim and not sweat digesting everything.

Those of us with existing filters need to work on &quot;fortifying&quot; as Patrick put it.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dean,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a good idea here to delineate attending and attention. Notice the difference.</p>
<p>I suspect that you&#8217;ve become good at limiting your attending. To use a Gladwellian term, I suspect you thin-slice much of what comes your way and selectively choose what to attend to.</p>
<p>The notion of attending requires significantly more cognitive resources. Without being familiar with Shirky&#8217;s work, I might posit that another aspect to a filter failure is the need for some to learn to filter out what does not require attending. To put it another way, folks just entering need to learn to skim and not sweat digesting everything.</p>
<p>Those of us with existing filters need to work on &#8220;fortifying&#8221; as Patrick put it.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

Great &quot;not top 5&quot; list here.  All of the elements you mention that aid in your ability to make information behave for you are strategies that should be shared.  Personally, I often feel the need to be &quot;the guy&quot; who shares the links, who has the answers, regardless of topic, and this gets in the way of productivity sometimes.  The release of that need, you describe it via the Good to Great reference, is liberating, but like all roles we play in life, hard to relinquish.  

Thanks for putting this out there.  It definitely has me thinking about how to fortify my filters.
.-= Patrick&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://chalkdust101.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/worth-spreading-around/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Worth Spreading Around&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Great &#8220;not top 5&#8243; list here.  All of the elements you mention that aid in your ability to make information behave for you are strategies that should be shared.  Personally, I often feel the need to be &#8220;the guy&#8221; who shares the links, who has the answers, regardless of topic, and this gets in the way of productivity sometimes.  The release of that need, you describe it via the Good to Great reference, is liberating, but like all roles we play in life, hard to relinquish.  </p>
<p>Thanks for putting this out there.  It definitely has me thinking about how to fortify my filters.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Patrick&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://chalkdust101.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/worth-spreading-around/" rel="nofollow">Worth Spreading Around</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alan,
 140 characters limits us and we have to recognize it&#039;s limitations as you are obviously inferring. People have to get comfortable with the systems, filters they&#039;ve developed. There are many ways to do that and while I have mine, everyone has to develop their own. 

@Jeff,
The challenge for me is helping people recognize what things are the same in terms of reading and extracting meaning and what things are different. I think too often, people focus on the differences and ignore the skills they bring to the table. I&#039;d say begin by establishing the commonalities and then begin to branch out to see differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan,<br />
 140 characters limits us and we have to recognize it&#8217;s limitations as you are obviously inferring. People have to get comfortable with the systems, filters they&#8217;ve developed. There are many ways to do that and while I have mine, everyone has to develop their own. </p>
<p>@Jeff,<br />
The challenge for me is helping people recognize what things are the same in terms of reading and extracting meaning and what things are different. I think too often, people focus on the differences and ignore the skills they bring to the table. I&#8217;d say begin by establishing the commonalities and then begin to branch out to see differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski on attention.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski on attention.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Utecht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Utecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best blog post of the day my friend! 

So many great quotes that have me thinking about how students today see the web and why so many educators look at a web site and not know where to click, what to read, or where to go. Last week we spent 2 hours with teachers at our school just looking at how you read a web site. It&#039;s different than a book, or Facebook. Reading for meaning on a web page full of links is different and taking time to teach that will help all of us.
.-= Jeff Utecht&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheThinkingStick/~3/pHetjnDzuCM/socialize-your-science-data&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Socialize your Science Data&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best blog post of the day my friend! </p>
<p>So many great quotes that have me thinking about how students today see the web and why so many educators look at a web site and not know where to click, what to read, or where to go. Last week we spent 2 hours with teachers at our school just looking at how you read a web site. It&#8217;s different than a book, or Facebook. Reading for meaning on a web page full of links is different and taking time to teach that will help all of us.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Jeff Utecht&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheThinkingStick/~3/pHetjnDzuCM/socialize-your-science-data" rel="nofollow">Socialize your Science Data</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The minutes tick by quickly before I have to go to work and you are a side dish with my breakfast and coffee this morning. Your picture is eye catching. It had been suggested to me that people treat personal finance like dipping a cup into a flowing stream; we never really know how much money we have at any given time any more. The open hydrant metaphor will stick with me now. I feel less pressure than you would feel to be the all-knowing consultant, but the circumstances of our professional lives are enough to school us into being hedgehogs. 

Teaching itself is a study in appropriate information technology. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I wonder if I could have responded to you in 140 characters or less?
.-= Alan Stange&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://staff.prairiesouth.ca/sites/stangea/2009/09/10/177/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Projectors&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The minutes tick by quickly before I have to go to work and you are a side dish with my breakfast and coffee this morning. Your picture is eye catching. It had been suggested to me that people treat personal finance like dipping a cup into a flowing stream; we never really know how much money we have at any given time any more. The open hydrant metaphor will stick with me now. I feel less pressure than you would feel to be the all-knowing consultant, but the circumstances of our professional lives are enough to school us into being hedgehogs. </p>
<p>Teaching itself is a study in appropriate information technology. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I wonder if I could have responded to you in 140 characters or less?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Alan Stange&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://staff.prairiesouth.ca/sites/stangea/2009/09/10/177/" rel="nofollow">Projectors</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: snacking &#171; dan in a cube</title>
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		<dc:creator>snacking &#171; dan in a cube</dc:creator>
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