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		<title>By: Bjj Gi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjj Gi</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Tobey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Study Ideas and Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluid Learning, A must read</title>
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		<dc:creator>Study Ideas and Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluid Learning, A must read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: reece</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/12/11/fluid-learning-a-must-read/comment-page-1/#comment-30850</link>
		<dc:creator>reece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;ve been looking for a site like yours since last Saturday. The last place I searched (should be the first) was in Google, using the keywords &quot;on line learning&quot;. Anyway, it was worth the search because I really like this website and your post regarding Fluid Learning, A must read looks very interesting for me. Definitely Stumbled!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;ve been looking for a site like yours since last Saturday. The last place I searched (should be the first) was in Google, using the keywords &#8220;on line learning&#8221;. Anyway, it was worth the search because I really like this website and your post regarding Fluid Learning, A must read looks very interesting for me. Definitely Stumbled!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ferriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ferriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel wrote:
In response to Chamberlain’s question, “Yes, I do think teachers know their stuff doesn’t measure up.” And, that’s all the more reason to share it…sharing involves a commitment to improve what we share.

What a brilliant comment, Miguel.  There&#039;s no doubt that the greatest benefit that I&#039;ve gotten from sharing---either in electronic forums or in my weekly PLC meetings---is the &#039;pressure&#039; of outside review.  When I know that my work is going to be looked at and judged---formally or informally---by others, I put far more time into polishing it.  Sometimes that means improving my practice.  Other times that means finding ways to articulate the reasons for my decisions.

But Share Everything doesn&#039;t cost me.  In fact, it improves everything about what I do as a professional. 

Cool stuff, indeed.
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel wrote:<br />
In response to Chamberlain’s question, “Yes, I do think teachers know their stuff doesn’t measure up.” And, that’s all the more reason to share it…sharing involves a commitment to improve what we share.</p>
<p>What a brilliant comment, Miguel.  There&#8217;s no doubt that the greatest benefit that I&#8217;ve gotten from sharing&#8212;either in electronic forums or in my weekly PLC meetings&#8212;is the &#8216;pressure&#8217; of outside review.  When I know that my work is going to be looked at and judged&#8212;formally or informally&#8212;by others, I put far more time into polishing it.  Sometimes that means improving my practice.  Other times that means finding ways to articulate the reasons for my decisions.</p>
<p>But Share Everything doesn&#8217;t cost me.  In fact, it improves everything about what I do as a professional. </p>
<p>Cool stuff, indeed.<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: gail desautels</title>
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		<dc:creator>gail desautels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw - there are only 3 Canadian Universities listed for Rate My Professor .... is there a Canadian version of this website?  Hey, I thought you were a Professor...I hope you are on that list!!!!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;gail desautelss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ld-technokids.com/2008/11/we-are-all-bean-counters-arent-we-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We are all bean counters aren&#039;t we .... in the 21st Century&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw &#8211; there are only 3 Canadian Universities listed for Rate My Professor &#8230;. is there a Canadian version of this website?  Hey, I thought you were a Professor&#8230;I hope you are on that list!!!!</p>
<p><abbr><em>gail desautelss last blog post..<a href="http://www.ld-technokids.com/2008/11/we-are-all-bean-counters-arent-we-in.html" rel="nofollow">We are all bean counters aren&#8217;t we &#8230;. in the 21st Century</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: gail desautels</title>
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		<dc:creator>gail desautels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Dean!!  I am looking forward to sitting down with a cuppa and reading a hard copy of &quot;The Human Network&quot; when I have a few moments.  hmmm then my Social Marketing Instincts might kick in again!!!   Keep up the great work.  btw K12 Online 2008 was fantastic this year - thanks for all your work on the conference!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;gail desautelss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ld-technokids.com/2008/11/we-are-all-bean-counters-arent-we-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We are all bean counters aren&#039;t we .... in the 21st Century&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Dean!!  I am looking forward to sitting down with a cuppa and reading a hard copy of &#8220;The Human Network&#8221; when I have a few moments.  hmmm then my Social Marketing Instincts might kick in again!!!   Keep up the great work.  btw K12 Online 2008 was fantastic this year &#8211; thanks for all your work on the conference!</p>
<p><abbr><em>gail desautelss last blog post..<a href="http://www.ld-technokids.com/2008/11/we-are-all-bean-counters-arent-we-in.html" rel="nofollow">We are all bean counters aren&#8217;t we &#8230;. in the 21st Century</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Job</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of what is written can&#039;t be applied universally.  I work with teenagers in a youth group and If I brought up twitter I don&#039;t think many of them would know what I was talking about.  I think in my cases filtering needs to be done until something is excepted universally. People act like Twitter is big.  Twitter is barely a blip on the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what is written can&#8217;t be applied universally.  I work with teenagers in a youth group and If I brought up twitter I don&#8217;t think many of them would know what I was talking about.  I think in my cases filtering needs to be done until something is excepted universally. People act like Twitter is big.  Twitter is barely a blip on the screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://carlanderson.blogspot.com/2008/12/embracing-disruption.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Embracing Disruption&lt;/a&gt;

[...]While there may not be a significant difference in how we learn online as opposed to face-to-face there is a difference in how we learn with different types of assessments and teaching strategies. From a funding standpoint we really have two different models: seat time vs. project-based. One involves a talking head and the other authentic assessments and both can be employed in either an online setting or face-to-face[...]

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Carl Andersons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://carlanderson.blogspot.com/2008/12/ties-hangover.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TIES Hangover&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://carlanderson.blogspot.com/2008/12/embracing-disruption.html" rel="nofollow">Embracing Disruption</a></p>
<p>[...]While there may not be a significant difference in how we learn online as opposed to face-to-face there is a difference in how we learn with different types of assessments and teaching strategies. From a funding standpoint we really have two different models: seat time vs. project-based. One involves a talking head and the other authentic assessments and both can be employed in either an online setting or face-to-face[...]</p>
<p><abbr><em>Carl Andersons last blog post..<a href="http://carlanderson.blogspot.com/2008/12/ties-hangover.html" rel="nofollow">TIES Hangover</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill, to answer your question, I think it&#039;s partly as you suggest but partly culture. We see sharing as a peripheral. Nice, but not necessary
@Barry, again, I don&#039;t think anyone would consider RateMyProf as empirical data but the point is, kids don&#039;t care, they&#039;ll take the advice of others in making choice. That&#039;s the premise behind Amazon reviews. However, it&#039;s interesting to me when i&#039;ve read comments about teachers/profs I know and I think in general, they are pretty accurate.

@Patrick,

Always good to have a devil&#039;s advocate. Not sure this is different but framed very nicely, in particular his 4 recommendations. I think the idea that teachers needing time is important, however, the RateMyProf example demonstrates its happening whether we&#039;re ready for it or not. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;the lesson is simple: control is over. This is not about control anymore. This is about finding a way to survive and thrive in chaos.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can effectively move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill, to answer your question, I think it&#8217;s partly as you suggest but partly culture. We see sharing as a peripheral. Nice, but not necessary<br />
@Barry, again, I don&#8217;t think anyone would consider RateMyProf as empirical data but the point is, kids don&#8217;t care, they&#8217;ll take the advice of others in making choice. That&#8217;s the premise behind Amazon reviews. However, it&#8217;s interesting to me when i&#8217;ve read comments about teachers/profs I know and I think in general, they are pretty accurate.</p>
<p>@Patrick,</p>
<p>Always good to have a devil&#8217;s advocate. Not sure this is different but framed very nicely, in particular his 4 recommendations. I think the idea that teachers needing time is important, however, the RateMyProf example demonstrates its happening whether we&#8217;re ready for it or not. </p>
<blockquote><p>the lesson is simple: control is over. This is not about control anymore. This is about finding a way to survive and thrive in chaos.</p></blockquote>
<p>The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can effectively move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

I took your advice and shared this with my staff and some colleagues.  I coupled it with an article called &quot;Transformation 101&quot; that ran in the Washington Monthly recently.  I&#039;ll confess, Christensen&#039;s book is sitting on my nightstand, unread, but I get it.  Something still sits oddly with all of what we talk about in this &#039;sphere: we&#039;ve heard a lot of this type of talk before--how is this different?

I am playing devil&#039;s advocate here; when I speak with teachers, I get the distinct impression that one of the reasons they are skeptical of change and change agents is that so much of it has been thrust at them without the proper time for it to be effective.  Just as teachers delve into one idea, the pendulum swings in another direction.  

This is bigger; that I know.  Pesce&#039;s article points to fundamental changes in how people organize themselves around ideas and teachers of their choice, and that runs so contrary to what we do now.  That type of change is, as we&#039;ve come to call it, disruptive.  I am curious to see what we can do to show those disaffected by constant, failed change that this is different.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Patricks last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://chalkdust101.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/daily-diigo-links-12122008/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daily Diigo Links 12/12/2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>I took your advice and shared this with my staff and some colleagues.  I coupled it with an article called &#8220;Transformation 101&#8243; that ran in the Washington Monthly recently.  I&#8217;ll confess, Christensen&#8217;s book is sitting on my nightstand, unread, but I get it.  Something still sits oddly with all of what we talk about in this &#8216;sphere: we&#8217;ve heard a lot of this type of talk before&#8211;how is this different?</p>
<p>I am playing devil&#8217;s advocate here; when I speak with teachers, I get the distinct impression that one of the reasons they are skeptical of change and change agents is that so much of it has been thrust at them without the proper time for it to be effective.  Just as teachers delve into one idea, the pendulum swings in another direction.  </p>
<p>This is bigger; that I know.  Pesce&#8217;s article points to fundamental changes in how people organize themselves around ideas and teachers of their choice, and that runs so contrary to what we do now.  That type of change is, as we&#8217;ve come to call it, disruptive.  I am curious to see what we can do to show those disaffected by constant, failed change that this is different.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Patricks last blog post..<a href="http://chalkdust101.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/daily-diigo-links-12122008/" rel="nofollow">Daily Diigo Links 12/12/2008</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: SchoolFinder Blog: Changing the Nature of Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>SchoolFinder Blog: Changing the Nature of Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with a long follow up for K-12 education here. Of course I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised the Dean Shareski also wrote a post on the subject [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with a long follow up for K-12 education here. Of course I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised the Dean Shareski also wrote a post on the subject [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/12/11/fluid-learning-a-must-read/comment-page-1/#comment-30818</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scary.</description>
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		<title>By: Barry Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had time to read the entire article (I plan to) and while I agree with many of the concepts some of the presumptions made are not what I would consider valid.  Someone else (in a response) pointed out that the highest rated prof had only 197 ratings which is MUCH higher than most profs.  This is NOT what I would call empirical science when it comes to stats.  I also think that the political will is quit a ways off at this point in time... education is still primarily funded by public dollars which are &quot;delegated&quot; (some would say somewhat less than equitably... that&#039;s another conversation LOL) by the current politicians/political party in power.  The accountability piece (which has become huge lately!!!) would also need to be ironed out.  Great concept and these are where revolutionary (vs. evolutionary) changes happen.  Thanks to Dean for involving me... a techie, nerd-boy (i.e. I&#039;m NOT an educator... but I do think I &quot;get it&quot;).  I may have more to post once I&#039;ve read the entire article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had time to read the entire article (I plan to) and while I agree with many of the concepts some of the presumptions made are not what I would consider valid.  Someone else (in a response) pointed out that the highest rated prof had only 197 ratings which is MUCH higher than most profs.  This is NOT what I would call empirical science when it comes to stats.  I also think that the political will is quit a ways off at this point in time&#8230; education is still primarily funded by public dollars which are &#8220;delegated&#8221; (some would say somewhat less than equitably&#8230; that&#8217;s another conversation LOL) by the current politicians/political party in power.  The accountability piece (which has become huge lately!!!) would also need to be ironed out.  Great concept and these are where revolutionary (vs. evolutionary) changes happen.  Thanks to Dean for involving me&#8230; a techie, nerd-boy (i.e. I&#8217;m NOT an educator&#8230; but I do think I &#8220;get it&#8221;).  I may have more to post once I&#8217;ve read the entire article.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, great share! Thanks! 

In response to Chamberlain&#039;s question, &quot;Yes, I do think teachers know their stuff doesn&#039;t measure up.&quot; And, that&#039;s all the more reason to share it...sharing involves a commitment to improve what we share.

Best wishes,
Miguel

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Miguel Guhlins last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/mguhlin/~3/457091257/moodle-and-rss-feed-consolidation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moodle and RSS Feed Consolidation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, great share! Thanks! </p>
<p>In response to Chamberlain&#8217;s question, &#8220;Yes, I do think teachers know their stuff doesn&#8217;t measure up.&#8221; And, that&#8217;s all the more reason to share it&#8230;sharing involves a commitment to improve what we share.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Miguel</p>
<p><abbr><em>Miguel Guhlins last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/mguhlin/~3/457091257/moodle-and-rss-feed-consolidation.html" rel="nofollow">Moodle and RSS Feed Consolidation</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: wmchamberlain</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmchamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, I agree with your post. The question I have is,&quot;Why don&#039;t more educators open their classrooms up?&quot; I know that I often have some anxiety when I create a video (or even a blog post) that my stuff doesn&#039;t measure up.  Do you think that much of the problem is simply that teachers don&#039;t think they are good enough?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;wmchamberlains last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/thank-you-mr-webb-and-tamaki-today.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thank You Mr. Webb and Tamaki Today!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, I agree with your post. The question I have is,&#8221;Why don&#8217;t more educators open their classrooms up?&#8221; I know that I often have some anxiety when I create a video (or even a blog post) that my stuff doesn&#8217;t measure up.  Do you think that much of the problem is simply that teachers don&#8217;t think they are good enough?</p>
<p><abbr><em>wmchamberlains last blog post..<a href="http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/thank-you-mr-webb-and-tamaki-today.html" rel="nofollow">Thank You Mr. Webb and Tamaki Today!</a></em></abbr></p>
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