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		<title>By: Chad Lehman</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/23/i-dont-like-their-tone/comment-page-1/#comment-30041</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, this was in interesting post to read.  I often think about times when I&#039;ve talked about the things I did when I was growing up 25-30 years ago and wonder why kids today aren&#039;t doing those things.   I have to stop doing that because you simply cannot compare childhood from years ago to childhood today.   I don&#039;t think kids just go out and &quot;play&quot; anymore.  They don&#039;t hop on their bikes and ride to a friend&#039;s house, to a park, or a store.  Activities are much more structured.  There isn&#039;t a lot in common and to expect the children of today to learn and experience life in ways we did is unrealistic.  It&#039;s a very different world - in some ways better and in others worse.  However, it&#039;s important to try and give kids opportunities to learn in ways that are appropriate for the times and meaningful to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, this was in interesting post to read.  I often think about times when I&#8217;ve talked about the things I did when I was growing up 25-30 years ago and wonder why kids today aren&#8217;t doing those things.   I have to stop doing that because you simply cannot compare childhood from years ago to childhood today.   I don&#8217;t think kids just go out and &#8220;play&#8221; anymore.  They don&#8217;t hop on their bikes and ride to a friend&#8217;s house, to a park, or a store.  Activities are much more structured.  There isn&#8217;t a lot in common and to expect the children of today to learn and experience life in ways we did is unrealistic.  It&#8217;s a very different world &#8211; in some ways better and in others worse.  However, it&#8217;s important to try and give kids opportunities to learn in ways that are appropriate for the times and meaningful to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/23/i-dont-like-their-tone/comment-page-1/#comment-30015</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does it not always come down to usage?&quot;

Yes!  This is a really strong statement.  I&#039;m embarrassed that I&#039;ve never really put it that way in my own mind, but I think it speaks to our responsibilities as parents and teachers.  There will always be new tools and new modes of interaction.  Frankly, I think that these developments always have inherent good, but we need to find out how they fit into our current framework.

I think about the students I&#039;ve had who have been obsessed with things:  anime, Nine Inch Nails, World of Warcraft.  The challenge is not how to compete with these things, but to help the student see how they fit into their world.  So many &quot;authority figures&quot; see these things as threats when they are anything but...  It&#039;s work to help young people build a bridge between listening to Trent Reznor, reading Crime And Punishment and participating in quality online interactions with their peers, but isn&#039;t that also the joy of teaching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does it not always come down to usage?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes!  This is a really strong statement.  I&#8217;m embarrassed that I&#8217;ve never really put it that way in my own mind, but I think it speaks to our responsibilities as parents and teachers.  There will always be new tools and new modes of interaction.  Frankly, I think that these developments always have inherent good, but we need to find out how they fit into our current framework.</p>
<p>I think about the students I&#8217;ve had who have been obsessed with things:  anime, Nine Inch Nails, World of Warcraft.  The challenge is not how to compete with these things, but to help the student see how they fit into their world.  So many &#8220;authority figures&#8221; see these things as threats when they are anything but&#8230;  It&#8217;s work to help young people build a bridge between listening to Trent Reznor, reading Crime And Punishment and participating in quality online interactions with their peers, but isn&#8217;t that also the joy of teaching?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/23/i-dont-like-their-tone/comment-page-1/#comment-30009</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post.  It was just what I needed today and prompted my own post centered on some of these issues.  I suggested, as I often do, that placing the blame (or promise) for anything on technology is misguided.  Behind the technology are people and people can make choices about how to use the technology in ways that are good or bad (nuclear energy vs. nuclear bomb).  Technology has enabled many of us to connect, to have conversations we couldn&#039;t otherwise and to start working on real problems together: preparing kids for a global economy, global warming, poverty.  

I think part of the problem is that a lot of people see the tweets and the ims and the blog posts that aren&#039;t &quot;serious&quot; and dismiss the whole venture.  And there are people in the tech industry who are completely distracted, always on, all the time.  They&#039;re giving this whole thing a bad name.  :)

And I agree with you on the issue of folks who complain that &quot;these kids today&quot; wasting their time with WoW and Facebook and blah blah.  Well, when I was a teenager, I watched Love Boat and Fantasy Island and read Teen Beat magazine and called my friends to gossip.  It&#039;s what teenagers do.  And I play WoW with people I know (and some people I don&#039;t).  How is that any worse than golf? (Except for the being outdoors part, but I do that in other ways).  /rant

Lauras last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://geekymom.blogspot.com/2008/07/web-20-and-future-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web 2.0 and the future of . . .&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.  It was just what I needed today and prompted my own post centered on some of these issues.  I suggested, as I often do, that placing the blame (or promise) for anything on technology is misguided.  Behind the technology are people and people can make choices about how to use the technology in ways that are good or bad (nuclear energy vs. nuclear bomb).  Technology has enabled many of us to connect, to have conversations we couldn&#8217;t otherwise and to start working on real problems together: preparing kids for a global economy, global warming, poverty.  </p>
<p>I think part of the problem is that a lot of people see the tweets and the ims and the blog posts that aren&#8217;t &#8220;serious&#8221; and dismiss the whole venture.  And there are people in the tech industry who are completely distracted, always on, all the time.  They&#8217;re giving this whole thing a bad name.  <img src='http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I agree with you on the issue of folks who complain that &#8220;these kids today&#8221; wasting their time with WoW and Facebook and blah blah.  Well, when I was a teenager, I watched Love Boat and Fantasy Island and read Teen Beat magazine and called my friends to gossip.  It&#8217;s what teenagers do.  And I play WoW with people I know (and some people I don&#8217;t).  How is that any worse than golf? (Except for the being outdoors part, but I do that in other ways).  /rant</p>
<p>Lauras last blog post..<a href="http://geekymom.blogspot.com/2008/07/web-20-and-future-of.html" rel="nofollow">Web 2.0 and the future of . . .</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Long</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/23/i-dont-like-their-tone/comment-page-1/#comment-30004</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powerful piece.  If I weren&#039;t headed on a plane tomorrow to sit on a beach for a week, I&#039;d be &#039;busy&#039; trying to re-think much of this.  In the meantime, I&#039;m pleased that I managed to end up on the positive side of you line in the sand, Dean, according to your link back to a recent post of mine.  [phew]

There is no doubt that I&#039;m actively re-thinking 90% of what I&#039;ve been passionate about in the last 3+ years re: my experiences in the blogosphere and the larger digital landscape.  Putting what used to be spent into chasing the &#039;new&#039; into committing to what &#039;matters&#039;.  

That being said, my usage of these digital elements only increases, but admittedly I am using them in a more intentional manner...and tossing the majority of what I consider to be distraction-laden (yup, including Twitter...well, just about -- wink).

I find myself -- whether in posts of mine, talking with colleagues, or working with clients -- coming back over and over again to the simple premise that the &#039;tool&#039; is not the point.  The real focus of our efforts must remain &#039;what do we want to accomplish&#039; and &#039;what will allow us to get there in the most significant way.&#039; 

Invariably a &#039;tool&#039; shows up to help us if we listen carefully.  And the cart-n-horse remain in the right order.

Again, great stuff, Dean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful piece.  If I weren&#8217;t headed on a plane tomorrow to sit on a beach for a week, I&#8217;d be &#8216;busy&#8217; trying to re-think much of this.  In the meantime, I&#8217;m pleased that I managed to end up on the positive side of you line in the sand, Dean, according to your link back to a recent post of mine.  [phew]</p>
<p>There is no doubt that I&#8217;m actively re-thinking 90% of what I&#8217;ve been passionate about in the last 3+ years re: my experiences in the blogosphere and the larger digital landscape.  Putting what used to be spent into chasing the &#8216;new&#8217; into committing to what &#8216;matters&#8217;.  </p>
<p>That being said, my usage of these digital elements only increases, but admittedly I am using them in a more intentional manner&#8230;and tossing the majority of what I consider to be distraction-laden (yup, including Twitter&#8230;well, just about &#8212; wink).</p>
<p>I find myself &#8212; whether in posts of mine, talking with colleagues, or working with clients &#8212; coming back over and over again to the simple premise that the &#8216;tool&#8217; is not the point.  The real focus of our efforts must remain &#8216;what do we want to accomplish&#8217; and &#8216;what will allow us to get there in the most significant way.&#8217; </p>
<p>Invariably a &#8216;tool&#8217; shows up to help us if we listen carefully.  And the cart-n-horse remain in the right order.</p>
<p>Again, great stuff, Dean!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Parisi</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/23/i-dont-like-their-tone/comment-page-1/#comment-30000</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Parisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am grateful for all the tool-of-the-day playing and excitement that happens within my network.  Prior to joining the network, I worked on my own, learned on my own, and labored on my own in attempts to try new ideas in my classroom.  Now, within 2 years, I have increased my toolbox so greatly that my students are constantly thrilled by the options offered to them when demonstrating knowledge.  On any given day, I can find a spur of the moment sandbox with which to play around, a ustream of a workshop in which to learn, or a conversation about how to use a tool in the classroom.  I wouldn&#039;t want to give that up for anything.  I never want to go back to learning on my own, at my own time - even if it means I have to wade through conversations about the latest movie or what&#039;s for dinner or any of the other seemingly irrelevant conversations out there.  And, sometimes, I even like to join in.

Lisa Parisis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LisasLingo/~3/342023223/my-wordle-tag-cloud.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Wordle Tag Cloud&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am grateful for all the tool-of-the-day playing and excitement that happens within my network.  Prior to joining the network, I worked on my own, learned on my own, and labored on my own in attempts to try new ideas in my classroom.  Now, within 2 years, I have increased my toolbox so greatly that my students are constantly thrilled by the options offered to them when demonstrating knowledge.  On any given day, I can find a spur of the moment sandbox with which to play around, a ustream of a workshop in which to learn, or a conversation about how to use a tool in the classroom.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to give that up for anything.  I never want to go back to learning on my own, at my own time &#8211; even if it means I have to wade through conversations about the latest movie or what&#8217;s for dinner or any of the other seemingly irrelevant conversations out there.  And, sometimes, I even like to join in.</p>
<p>Lisa Parisis last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LisasLingo/~3/342023223/my-wordle-tag-cloud.html" rel="nofollow">My Wordle Tag Cloud</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia ora Dean!

I&#039;m not a curmudgeon (I&#039;ve said &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; before) and I agree with you.

Where is the evidence that shows that teenagers (or whoever) were not
called upon (or entered into) multiple activities at once. I know I did! I used
to lie on the carpet watching television, plugged into my transistor radio
through one ear while I did my homework. My dog used to lie down beside
and bother me for toffee. So to those that claim all this newbie stuff about
multi-tasking, &lt;b&gt;get real&lt;/b&gt;!

Thanks for the del.icio.us link on cells. That&#039;s another area where my baloney
detector kicks in. There is nothing new about walkie-talkies in cars. The Police,
the taxis, the ambulances and the fire-brigades all have used them for decades!
And what about air-pilots with their contact with air-traffic control? Where&#039;s the
evidence for distractions causing accidents there?

Okay - I&#039;m not condoning the use of cells when driving. BUT to claim that all this
evidence of accidents being caused through the use of phones is something new
is a lot of baloney. During a huge chunk of the 20th century, there have been
thousands of opportunities for this evidence to be amassed. My hunch is that it&#039;s
more to do with awareness. It&#039;s the old saying about acknowledging a problem -
the first step to addressing a problem is recognising that it exists. If no-one has
been gathering evidence related to accidents caused by the use of phones while
driving, how can anyone say that it didn&#039;t use to happen before mobile-phones
arrived? To say that is baloney and shonky philosophy.

Ka kite anō
from Middle-earth

Ken Allans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://newmiddle-earth.blogspot.com/2008/07/5-explanations-of-zen-proverb.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5 explanations of a Zen proverb&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora Dean!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a curmudgeon (I&#8217;ve said <b>that</b> before) and I agree with you.</p>
<p>Where is the evidence that shows that teenagers (or whoever) were not<br />
called upon (or entered into) multiple activities at once. I know I did! I used<br />
to lie on the carpet watching television, plugged into my transistor radio<br />
through one ear while I did my homework. My dog used to lie down beside<br />
and bother me for toffee. So to those that claim all this newbie stuff about<br />
multi-tasking, <b>get real</b>!</p>
<p>Thanks for the del.icio.us link on cells. That&#8217;s another area where my baloney<br />
detector kicks in. There is nothing new about walkie-talkies in cars. The Police,<br />
the taxis, the ambulances and the fire-brigades all have used them for decades!<br />
And what about air-pilots with their contact with air-traffic control? Where&#8217;s the<br />
evidence for distractions causing accidents there?</p>
<p>Okay &#8211; I&#8217;m not condoning the use of cells when driving. BUT to claim that all this<br />
evidence of accidents being caused through the use of phones is something new<br />
is a lot of baloney. During a huge chunk of the 20th century, there have been<br />
thousands of opportunities for this evidence to be amassed. My hunch is that it&#8217;s<br />
more to do with awareness. It&#8217;s the old saying about acknowledging a problem -<br />
the first step to addressing a problem is recognising that it exists. If no-one has<br />
been gathering evidence related to accidents caused by the use of phones while<br />
driving, how can anyone say that it didn&#8217;t use to happen before mobile-phones<br />
arrived? To say that is baloney and shonky philosophy.</p>
<p>Ka kite anō<br />
from Middle-earth</p>
<p>Ken Allans last blog post..<a href="http://newmiddle-earth.blogspot.com/2008/07/5-explanations-of-zen-proverb.html" rel="nofollow">5 explanations of a Zen proverb</a></p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to post a really long reply but I&#039;m right in the middle of Tolstoy!! Kidding I&#039;m currently hooked on Animoto but I&#039;m too pretentious to admit it!! Love it.....this is the best summer reading I&#039;ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to post a really long reply but I&#8217;m right in the middle of Tolstoy!! Kidding I&#8217;m currently hooked on Animoto but I&#8217;m too pretentious to admit it!! Love it&#8230;..this is the best summer reading I&#8217;ve had.</p>
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		<title>By: nlowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>nlowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have been following this retrenchment and my take on it is slightly different. 

It&#039;s not that I have trouble concentrating. It&#039;s that I&#039;m MUCH more critical. If what I&#039;m reading isn&#039;t engaging -- isn&#039;t relevant -- I turn it off and go for something else. If your rich and meaty commentary on what-ever-the-heck-it-is-you&#039;re-selling is boring, I&#039;m going to turn you off. I read books - long books, complete books -- and often in a matter of a day or two because they&#039;re interesting. They engage me. And I have a very fine tuned BS detector. Trying to snare my attention with BS triggers the alarm and I move on.

In the past, I might have stuck with something because the next thing wasn&#039;t waiting for me in the queue. I&#039;d read the flaming emails. I&#039;d snigger at the trolls. Now? Uh uh. I got stuff to do. Places to go. People to see. Ideas that engage me. Novels to write. Podcasts to hear. 

It&#039;s not a question of focus. 

It&#039;s a question of relevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have been following this retrenchment and my take on it is slightly different. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I have trouble concentrating. It&#8217;s that I&#8217;m MUCH more critical. If what I&#8217;m reading isn&#8217;t engaging &#8212; isn&#8217;t relevant &#8212; I turn it off and go for something else. If your rich and meaty commentary on what-ever-the-heck-it-is-you&#8217;re-selling is boring, I&#8217;m going to turn you off. I read books &#8211; long books, complete books &#8212; and often in a matter of a day or two because they&#8217;re interesting. They engage me. And I have a very fine tuned BS detector. Trying to snare my attention with BS triggers the alarm and I move on.</p>
<p>In the past, I might have stuck with something because the next thing wasn&#8217;t waiting for me in the queue. I&#8217;d read the flaming emails. I&#8217;d snigger at the trolls. Now? Uh uh. I got stuff to do. Places to go. People to see. Ideas that engage me. Novels to write. Podcasts to hear. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a question of focus. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a question of relevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reflecting and sharing an important perspective.  We&#039;ve got a lot of things to sort through and the new media enables us each to have an entirely unique experience.  There&#039;s no control group to balance our studies.  We all know that the connections with people bring the most value, learning and satisfaction, but balancing the media becomes problematic. We&#039;ve got our individual contributions to consider, as well as the multitude of groups in which we participate at varying degrees.  So many people are pointing at me as trying to balance online life and offline life, but it isn&#039;t about that at all.  I&#039;m going to be online all the time. Period.  I&#039;ve done it for 15 years and will do it the rest of my life.  I know how to balance that time.  

What I am trying to figure out, not just for myself, but for the people who learn from me, is which methods of communication will sustain the kind of social interaction I need and can provide the highest contribution.  There is no bad or good, black or white.  We do have to test everything, and those of us testing everything won&#039;t have the same experience as those who read our evaluations and make informed choices to select only the tools that seem to fit their needs.  It&#039;s completely natural for the people swimming in the media to break connections and reform them to discover potential alternate uses and benefits.  When our job is to immerse ourselves in these tools, we&#039;re going to get burned out on them.  That doesn&#039;t mean the tools aren&#039;t good for others.  Most people won&#039;t use them as heavily and won&#039;t see the problem.

We also need to recognize that we are playing with fire when we dabble in communications tools.  Language alone can stir the strongest emotions.  When amplified by multiple media options and influential social groups, we can&#039;t take lightly the potential for social impact, personal injury and psychological damage.  I think as responsible educators, we need to take inventory of our own social web presence, consider both our impact on the group as well as the effects on our person.  Then we need to respect the unique experiences of our peers, and honor and support their candid reflections.

Jens last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Injenuity/~3/342904847/247&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economic Stimulus&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reflecting and sharing an important perspective.  We&#8217;ve got a lot of things to sort through and the new media enables us each to have an entirely unique experience.  There&#8217;s no control group to balance our studies.  We all know that the connections with people bring the most value, learning and satisfaction, but balancing the media becomes problematic. We&#8217;ve got our individual contributions to consider, as well as the multitude of groups in which we participate at varying degrees.  So many people are pointing at me as trying to balance online life and offline life, but it isn&#8217;t about that at all.  I&#8217;m going to be online all the time. Period.  I&#8217;ve done it for 15 years and will do it the rest of my life.  I know how to balance that time.  </p>
<p>What I am trying to figure out, not just for myself, but for the people who learn from me, is which methods of communication will sustain the kind of social interaction I need and can provide the highest contribution.  There is no bad or good, black or white.  We do have to test everything, and those of us testing everything won&#8217;t have the same experience as those who read our evaluations and make informed choices to select only the tools that seem to fit their needs.  It&#8217;s completely natural for the people swimming in the media to break connections and reform them to discover potential alternate uses and benefits.  When our job is to immerse ourselves in these tools, we&#8217;re going to get burned out on them.  That doesn&#8217;t mean the tools aren&#8217;t good for others.  Most people won&#8217;t use them as heavily and won&#8217;t see the problem.</p>
<p>We also need to recognize that we are playing with fire when we dabble in communications tools.  Language alone can stir the strongest emotions.  When amplified by multiple media options and influential social groups, we can&#8217;t take lightly the potential for social impact, personal injury and psychological damage.  I think as responsible educators, we need to take inventory of our own social web presence, consider both our impact on the group as well as the effects on our person.  Then we need to respect the unique experiences of our peers, and honor and support their candid reflections.</p>
<p>Jens last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Injenuity/~3/342904847/247" rel="nofollow">Economic Stimulus</a></p>
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