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	<title>Comments on: Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carol Good</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-30193</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I work at a low SES high school, blogging was not an activity teachers even considered using.  Last year I ventured into the activity with my students.  I teach accelerated and regular juniors (grade 11) in Language Arts/English.  I used my accelerated as guinea pigs and pushed them deeper into the blogging activities than I did with the regulars.  Yet the results were amazing.  Normally getting homework completed with accelerated students is not too much of a problem, but what really struck me was the response from the regular level students.  Homework was completed when it required blogging responses - even by the students without computers at home.  This was a learning experience for us all, but quite a successful one.  The district office has been monitoring my activities closely, as I am the only teacher currently delving into this realm, but I'm getting results.  My test district assessment test scores increased 20 points, and I believe it was greatly due to this activity.

After completing some research this summer, I sat down and structured the implementation of the blogging - which was a bit bumpy last year.  Students completely invest themselves in this.  With inspiration from Jim Burke and Bob Barsanti's ideas, I was able to restructure my website into a workable system for the 175 students I teach during the school year.  One of the keys I have found to effectively getting students comfortable with the activity, requires a phasing in of the process - especially since the majority of them have never participated in this type of activity for an academic purpose.  I have implemented the assignment in 9-week bursts that align with my grading periods at school.  The first nine-weeks the responses are emailed to me, thus limiting the exposure of student writing until we have had time to begin making improvements and build self-confidence in that realm.  The second nine-weeks, students begin responding in blogs on the site.  The third nine-weeks, students will not only respond in the blogs but also respond to each other.  The final nine-weeks, students will create their own blog sites with responses and conversations.  Bottomline: I want my students to demonstrate BEST THINKING in their writing.  

Let me know if you have questions.  Please feel free to check out my website as well; however, school has just begun, so we are only in our first nine-weeks of the roll-out plan.

Carol Goods last blog post..&lt;a href="http://good.edublogs.org/2008/08/24/mrs-goods-world-of-english/" rel="nofollow"&gt;World of English…&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I work at a low SES high school, blogging was not an activity teachers even considered using.  Last year I ventured into the activity with my students.  I teach accelerated and regular juniors (grade 11) in Language Arts/English.  I used my accelerated as guinea pigs and pushed them deeper into the blogging activities than I did with the regulars.  Yet the results were amazing.  Normally getting homework completed with accelerated students is not too much of a problem, but what really struck me was the response from the regular level students.  Homework was completed when it required blogging responses - even by the students without computers at home.  This was a learning experience for us all, but quite a successful one.  The district office has been monitoring my activities closely, as I am the only teacher currently delving into this realm, but I&#8217;m getting results.  My test district assessment test scores increased 20 points, and I believe it was greatly due to this activity.</p>
<p>After completing some research this summer, I sat down and structured the implementation of the blogging - which was a bit bumpy last year.  Students completely invest themselves in this.  With inspiration from Jim Burke and Bob Barsanti&#8217;s ideas, I was able to restructure my website into a workable system for the 175 students I teach during the school year.  One of the keys I have found to effectively getting students comfortable with the activity, requires a phasing in of the process - especially since the majority of them have never participated in this type of activity for an academic purpose.  I have implemented the assignment in 9-week bursts that align with my grading periods at school.  The first nine-weeks the responses are emailed to me, thus limiting the exposure of student writing until we have had time to begin making improvements and build self-confidence in that realm.  The second nine-weeks, students begin responding in blogs on the site.  The third nine-weeks, students will not only respond in the blogs but also respond to each other.  The final nine-weeks, students will create their own blog sites with responses and conversations.  Bottomline: I want my students to demonstrate BEST THINKING in their writing.  </p>
<p>Let me know if you have questions.  Please feel free to check out my website as well; however, school has just begun, so we are only in our first nine-weeks of the roll-out plan.</p>
<p>Carol Goods last blog post..<a href="http://good.edublogs.org/2008/08/24/mrs-goods-world-of-english/" rel="nofollow">World of English…</a></p>
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		<title>By: tobyp</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-30112</link>
		<dc:creator>tobyp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking to start a student/parent/teacher reading blog to help kids share the books they've read, and to encourage them to try books recommended by other kids. Glad to find edublogs.org. Would be interested in any existing classroom/family reading blogs (written primarily by kids). If anyone knows of any, please share. 
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking to start a student/parent/teacher reading blog to help kids share the books they&#8217;ve read, and to encourage them to try books recommended by other kids. Glad to find edublogs.org. Would be interested in any existing classroom/family reading blogs (written primarily by kids). If anyone knows of any, please share.<br />
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yvette,

Not sure I have any new ideas regarding access but if you can encourage those students who have access at home to blog, I think you'll find it continues to expand the idea that learning takes place everywhere. That's where the real transformation takes place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yvette,</p>
<p>Not sure I have any new ideas regarding access but if you can encourage those students who have access at home to blog, I think you&#8217;ll find it continues to expand the idea that learning takes place everywhere. That&#8217;s where the real transformation takes place.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs are learning gems&#8230; (Sue, I hope you’re reading this!) &#124; Learning Gems</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogs are learning gems&#8230; (Sue, I hope you’re reading this!) &#124; Learning Gems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] through my subscriptions proved useful.  I discovered this blog post by Dean Shareski: ‘Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds’. It seemed to reinforce what I’d learned from my fellow plurkers. It also forced me to face [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] through my subscriptions proved useful.  I discovered this blog post by Dean Shareski: ‘Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds’. It seemed to reinforce what I’d learned from my fellow plurkers. It also forced me to face [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dean, I discovered this post at just the right moment!  The advice is excellent and, hopefully, just what I need to convince a colleague to persist with her blogging journey.  Also a timely reminder for me to comment more on others' blogs.  

I am running a workshop on blogging at my school and your blog has saved me twice now!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dean, I discovered this post at just the right moment!  The advice is excellent and, hopefully, just what I need to convince a colleague to persist with her blogging journey.  Also a timely reminder for me to comment more on others&#8217; blogs.  </p>
<p>I am running a workshop on blogging at my school and your blog has saved me twice now!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for  your insights, Dean.  I'll be introducing a blog-project into a university-level ESL course this fall and I really appreciate your reminder about the importance of reading and providing high-quality, reflective comments as a way to help build readership.   

Also, Jan Smith makes an excellent and (at least in some cases) overlooked point about the importance of RSS feeds.  I don't have my own blog (I know, I know) but I subscribe to a dozen or so blogs through google reader.  The subscription feature makes it so easy for me to access the blogs I enjoy and keep up on my reading and commenting.  I appreciate the reminder about the RSS feeds - I'll remember to have my students implement a similar tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for  your insights, Dean.  I&#8217;ll be introducing a blog-project into a university-level ESL course this fall and I really appreciate your reminder about the importance of reading and providing high-quality, reflective comments as a way to help build readership.   </p>
<p>Also, Jan Smith makes an excellent and (at least in some cases) overlooked point about the importance of RSS feeds.  I don&#8217;t have my own blog (I know, I know) but I subscribe to a dozen or so blogs through google reader.  The subscription feature makes it so easy for me to access the blogs I enjoy and keep up on my reading and commenting.  I appreciate the reminder about the RSS feeds - I&#8217;ll remember to have my students implement a similar tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean
our school has just started out with classroom blogging with a few of us trying it out. (a little timidly i must admit - this being my first reply ever)  i am grateful to edublogger to reffering this post. just in time. I will be referring to it with my group. thankyou

to Jan - what are your creative ideas for access? we also have the lab, plus one or two classroom computers (that sometimes work) and i would be grateful for any input</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean<br />
our school has just started out with classroom blogging with a few of us trying it out. (a little timidly i must admit - this being my first reply ever)  i am grateful to edublogger to reffering this post. just in time. I will be referring to it with my group. thankyou</p>
<p>to Jan - what are your creative ideas for access? we also have the lab, plus one or two classroom computers (that sometimes work) and i would be grateful for any input</p>
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		<title>By: Can You Help Me Inspire Our Future Teachers? &#124; The Edublogger</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-30087</link>
		<dc:creator>Can You Help Me Inspire Our Future Teachers? &#124; The Edublogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Share your Blogging Experience and Tips For Educators New To Blogging [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Latest Diigo Bookmarks (weekly)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latest Diigo Bookmarks (weekly)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Dean. I shall be certainly be directing my colleagues and other teachers to your valuable points. Cheers, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Dean. I shall be certainly be directing my colleagues and other teachers to your valuable points. Cheers, John.</p>
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		<title>By: Three favs from The Edublogger &#124; BlogWalker</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-30035</link>
		<dc:creator>Three favs from The Edublogger &#124; BlogWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Teacher and Student Blogging that Succeeds - From Dean Shareski (via a comment and commenter I can no longer locate on The Edublogger) - I like how Dean has nailed down some realities about blogging, e.g, &#8221; Blogging is way more about reading than it is writing. Many teachers don’t see this at first.&#8221; Lots of food for thought contained in each of the five pointers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Teacher and Student Blogging that Succeeds - From Dean Shareski (via a comment and commenter I can no longer locate on The Edublogger) - I like how Dean has nailed down some realities about blogging, e.g, &#8221; Blogging is way more about reading than it is writing. Many teachers don’t see this at first.&#8221; Lots of food for thought contained in each of the five pointers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

I think the lines of responsibility are blurred here. If you use a service like classblogmeister there is virtually no risk. You as a teacher moderate every post and comment if you choose. I often think this is a great place for teachers to begin however even if you simply have students create blogs on their own, the work they produce is ultimately their own. Students already have the power to create spaces outside of school where they can post whatever they like. Schools often choose to turn a blind eye to this and distance themselves from this and avoid creating any similar spaces in schools. This is sad choice since it relegates students to learn how to be responsible and thoughtful with no guidance and support.

As far as inappropriate comments coming through, other than spam, it's rare. Clarence Fisher who has been blogging openly with classes for 4 years has had 2 inappropriate comments in that time. He used those as teachable moments.

The bottom line is expect things to go wrong, expect students to make poor choices but be determined to learn and teach from these situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>I think the lines of responsibility are blurred here. If you use a service like classblogmeister there is virtually no risk. You as a teacher moderate every post and comment if you choose. I often think this is a great place for teachers to begin however even if you simply have students create blogs on their own, the work they produce is ultimately their own. Students already have the power to create spaces outside of school where they can post whatever they like. Schools often choose to turn a blind eye to this and distance themselves from this and avoid creating any similar spaces in schools. This is sad choice since it relegates students to learn how to be responsible and thoughtful with no guidance and support.</p>
<p>As far as inappropriate comments coming through, other than spam, it&#8217;s rare. Clarence Fisher who has been blogging openly with classes for 4 years has had 2 inappropriate comments in that time. He used those as teachable moments.</p>
<p>The bottom line is expect things to go wrong, expect students to make poor choices but be determined to learn and teach from these situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Grey makes a good point with respect to student accountability and parents who blame the teacher for what might go wrong with the blog.  So, ultimately, what is the bottom line here?  Personally, I am afraid of what might happen to me should a problem arise.  Are we protected or not?  Your thoughts, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Grey makes a good point with respect to student accountability and parents who blame the teacher for what might go wrong with the blog.  So, ultimately, what is the bottom line here?  Personally, I am afraid of what might happen to me should a problem arise.  Are we protected or not?  Your thoughts, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging: To be or not to be? That is the question &#124; Technology in the Earthmoving Industry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging: To be or not to be? That is the question &#124; Technology in the Earthmoving Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alex Yu &#187; 失眠随想——新手blogger出现的问题</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Yu &#187; 失眠随想——新手blogger出现的问题</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 这里有这几天看到的一些关于经营blog的文章，分享下：  Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds  Ten habits of bloggers that win!  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds &#124; Sean Sharp's ITRT Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds &#124; Sean Sharp's ITRT Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blogging and Teachers &#171; Rhondda&#8217;s Reflections - wandering around the Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging and Teachers &#171; Rhondda&#8217;s Reflections - wandering around the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of blogger&#8217;s that win&#8221; and another interesting blog post is Dean Shareski&#8217;s Student and teacher blogging  that succeeds . There are many more entries on blogs about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: edfoc.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SQ3R for the Tech Set</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-29969</link>
		<dc:creator>edfoc.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SQ3R for the Tech Set</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the picture above references a TAH example that I created from Dean Shareski&#8217;s post, Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds. I chose this post as an example because the school where I teach encourages student blogging, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Listen To The Wisdom Of Your Network &#124; Mobile Technology in TAFE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listen To The Wisdom Of Your Network &#124; Mobile Technology in TAFE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comment on other people&#8217;s blog - read Dean Shareski excellent post on Student and Teacher Blogging that Succeeds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jan Smith</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-29944</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not really a mystery why my first class blog failed. It was little more than a static show and tell with some bells and whistles like animoto and a vodpod. Started last September, dead by Remembrance Day. Failure leads to learning, learning leads to success.
You are right that blogs are easy to create--just a few clicks. But I hadn't done the reading to really understand what their purpose is. 
I think it was getting involved in Classroom 2.0, and then getting RSS, followed by a tentative step into the 31 Day Comment Challenge that put things into perspective and gave me more courage. Getting hooked into conversations with people is pretty enticing. People like Sue Waters at the edublogger are doing amazing service to help newbies trouble shoot the details, but see the big picture, too.
I am ready now to start blogging in earnest with my students. My biggest concern is access for reading (and later writing) as we are a school of 500 K-7 kids with one lab of 30. Calls for creativity and advocacy. 
Thanks for the links at the end of the post--I have Jeff Utecht's K-12 Online presentation on my IPod (as well as yours).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really a mystery why my first class blog failed. It was little more than a static show and tell with some bells and whistles like animoto and a vodpod. Started last September, dead by Remembrance Day. Failure leads to learning, learning leads to success.<br />
You are right that blogs are easy to create&#8211;just a few clicks. But I hadn&#8217;t done the reading to really understand what their purpose is.<br />
I think it was getting involved in Classroom 2.0, and then getting RSS, followed by a tentative step into the 31 Day Comment Challenge that put things into perspective and gave me more courage. Getting hooked into conversations with people is pretty enticing. People like Sue Waters at the edublogger are doing amazing service to help newbies trouble shoot the details, but see the big picture, too.<br />
I am ready now to start blogging in earnest with my students. My biggest concern is access for reading (and later writing) as we are a school of 500 K-7 kids with one lab of 30. Calls for creativity and advocacy.<br />
Thanks for the links at the end of the post&#8211;I have Jeff Utecht&#8217;s K-12 Online presentation on my IPod (as well as yours).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ahlness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ahlness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,
This is all so important! I have been through silent reading from blogs with my third graders for 2 years now and have learned a lot, believe me. One thing I found - and this goes along with your blogging is mostly about reading - is that I absolutely did NOT allow writing at certain times. Otherwise my kids were drawn to writing comments, almost like bugs to a bright light. What a problem, eh? Having to stop kids from writing? But then they stopped reading. Like I said, I've learned a lot in the process. Hopefully they've picked up a little along the journey as well... Next year I'll have 4 XO's as ebook/blog readers. 

Here's the first of a series from my blog, from early 2007: &lt;a href="http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/mahlness/2007/02/is-this-ssr-20.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Is this SSR 2.0?&lt;/a&gt; Oh, and the comment thing. &lt;a href="http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blogger_id=103419&#38;l=1193722850" rel="nofollow"&gt;Gordon Brune&lt;/a&gt;, a classblogmeister early adopter, called it Comment Love. Kind of like getting letters in the mail, like my folks always said - gotta write 'em to get 'em.

Mark Ahlnesss last blog post..&lt;a href="http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/mahlness/2008/07/ednet-is-now-ednet2.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ednet is now Ednet2&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
This is all so important! I have been through silent reading from blogs with my third graders for 2 years now and have learned a lot, believe me. One thing I found - and this goes along with your blogging is mostly about reading - is that I absolutely did NOT allow writing at certain times. Otherwise my kids were drawn to writing comments, almost like bugs to a bright light. What a problem, eh? Having to stop kids from writing? But then they stopped reading. Like I said, I&#8217;ve learned a lot in the process. Hopefully they&#8217;ve picked up a little along the journey as well&#8230; Next year I&#8217;ll have 4 XO&#8217;s as ebook/blog readers. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first of a series from my blog, from early 2007: <a href="http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/mahlness/2007/02/is-this-ssr-20.html" rel="nofollow">Is this SSR 2.0?</a> Oh, and the comment thing. <a href="http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blogger_id=103419&amp;l=1193722850" rel="nofollow">Gordon Brune</a>, a classblogmeister early adopter, called it Comment Love. Kind of like getting letters in the mail, like my folks always said - gotta write &#8216;em to get &#8216;em.</p>
<p>Mark Ahlnesss last blog post..<a href="http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/mahlness/2008/07/ednet-is-now-ednet2.html" rel="nofollow">Ednet is now Ednet2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott S. Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott S. Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very timely post, Dean. Thanks for sharing it. I will pass it on to my staff here in White Oak.

Scott S. Floyds last blog post..&lt;a href="http://scottsfloyd.edublogs.org/2008/07/16/here-comes-everybody-but-is-everybody-else-prepared/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here Comes Everybody, but is Everybody Else Prepared?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very timely post, Dean. Thanks for sharing it. I will pass it on to my staff here in White Oak.</p>
<p>Scott S. Floyds last blog post..<a href="http://scottsfloyd.edublogs.org/2008/07/16/here-comes-everybody-but-is-everybody-else-prepared/" rel="nofollow">Here Comes Everybody, but is Everybody Else Prepared?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Kohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really nice article, Dean.  I'm also going to use it with teachers, as they learn about blogging.

I really feel like too many people get the concept of blogging confused with "online publishing" or "journalism".  This is probably only worsened by every periodical needing to have a "blog" affiliated with their paper or magazine.  The bottom line is that it puts blogging in a box and adds a structure which can really undercut reflection and dialogue.  Online publishing has it's place, but I tend to see it as a different animal.

Your comment about reading is key.  This is especially true if one expects student blogs to succeed.  If "blogging" is imposed on a class, and the teacher doesn't learn to be a reader and sincere commenter, how can we expect students to see it as anything different than another writing assignment?

Thanks for the insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really nice article, Dean.  I&#8217;m also going to use it with teachers, as they learn about blogging.</p>
<p>I really feel like too many people get the concept of blogging confused with &#8220;online publishing&#8221; or &#8220;journalism&#8221;.  This is probably only worsened by every periodical needing to have a &#8220;blog&#8221; affiliated with their paper or magazine.  The bottom line is that it puts blogging in a box and adds a structure which can really undercut reflection and dialogue.  Online publishing has it&#8217;s place, but I tend to see it as a different animal.</p>
<p>Your comment about reading is key.  This is especially true if one expects student blogs to succeed.  If &#8220;blogging&#8221; is imposed on a class, and the teacher doesn&#8217;t learn to be a reader and sincere commenter, how can we expect students to see it as anything different than another writing assignment?</p>
<p>Thanks for the insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-29940</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mic,

My thought is to use a service like edublogs or wordpress. To me this is more personal and takes away the idea of it being tied to an institution. Unless you're able to provide great in house hosting, I think this is the better way to go. It's more likely they'll continue on if it's not associated with an institution. As well I'm thinking they'll be more likely to post more personal stuff, which can be a good thing as well. With older students I think seeing this as part of their digital identity and portfolio is an important concept.

That said, blogmeister and 21 classes work well for K-8 students as a starting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mic,</p>
<p>My thought is to use a service like edublogs or wordpress. To me this is more personal and takes away the idea of it being tied to an institution. Unless you&#8217;re able to provide great in house hosting, I think this is the better way to go. It&#8217;s more likely they&#8217;ll continue on if it&#8217;s not associated with an institution. As well I&#8217;m thinking they&#8217;ll be more likely to post more personal stuff, which can be a good thing as well. With older students I think seeing this as part of their digital identity and portfolio is an important concept.</p>
<p>That said, blogmeister and 21 classes work well for K-8 students as a starting point.</p>
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		<title>By: 23 Things for SCASL &#124; Cathy Nelson's Professional Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>23 Things for SCASL &#124; Cathy Nelson's Professional Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we are talking about doing a SCASL 23 things and SLJ is launching theirs, I thought a post by Dean Shareski might be helpful for any considering a dive into blogging. It is a good read, and Dean offers some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
		<link>http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/07/17/student-and-teacher-blogging-that-succeeds/#comment-29938</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eldon,

The trick is thinking about comment's like Ben's regarding structure. What I might try in your situation is spend a couple of weeks reading and discussing offline. Get them to start having some deep conversations and intelligent discussions in an environment they are familiar with and then get them writing. 

The first time I taught undergrads, I had one out of 14 continue blogging. My last term I've got 3 out of 23. Not that that was my goal but certainly getting students to see value whether as bloggers or readers is definitely the goal. I don't think everyone has to blog but to be aware of this participatory medium and its role in culture and life in general is what I think is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eldon,</p>
<p>The trick is thinking about comment&#8217;s like Ben&#8217;s regarding structure. What I might try in your situation is spend a couple of weeks reading and discussing offline. Get them to start having some deep conversations and intelligent discussions in an environment they are familiar with and then get them writing. </p>
<p>The first time I taught undergrads, I had one out of 14 continue blogging. My last term I&#8217;ve got 3 out of 23. Not that that was my goal but certainly getting students to see value whether as bloggers or readers is definitely the goal. I don&#8217;t think everyone has to blog but to be aware of this participatory medium and its role in culture and life in general is what I think is important.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, Great Post!
I'm running a blog session during our staff &lt;a href="http://edinatechcamp.pbwiki.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tech Camp&lt;/a&gt;, and this will be a good resource!
We're still struggling with the best venue for student blogs. We had some staff using Blogger/Blogspot, some used Edublogs, and some tried 21 Classes. Since we don't currently have student e-mail, setting up a class (or 5 classes) on any of these requires more time and energy to coordinate than staff can put in. Anybody have suggestions? Gaggle would be great, but at $3-$4 per student, it seems too pricey!

M. Walkers last blog post..&lt;a href="http://edinatech.blogspot.com/2008/07/thoughts-on-aspen-ideas-festival.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Thoughts on the Aspen Ideas Festival&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, Great Post!<br />
I&#8217;m running a blog session during our staff <a href="http://edinatechcamp.pbwiki.com/" rel="nofollow">Tech Camp</a>, and this will be a good resource!<br />
We&#8217;re still struggling with the best venue for student blogs. We had some staff using Blogger/Blogspot, some used Edublogs, and some tried 21 Classes. Since we don&#8217;t currently have student e-mail, setting up a class (or 5 classes) on any of these requires more time and energy to coordinate than staff can put in. Anybody have suggestions? Gaggle would be great, but at $3-$4 per student, it seems too pricey!</p>
<p>M. Walkers last blog post..<a href="http://edinatech.blogspot.com/2008/07/thoughts-on-aspen-ideas-festival.html" rel="nofollow">Thoughts on the Aspen Ideas Festival</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eldon Germann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldon Germann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post.  As a new teacher in the technology world, I have gone through many stages of blogging and came to the same realizations you have wrote about.  These are the very topics I plan to discuss with my staff at school year start as we embark on what I hope is a school wide blogging initiative.

I will be attempting some major blogging in my classroom.  I have set my routine to 15minutes a class to read and reply to blogs and 30mintes a week to writing blogs.  (this is in my IP10 class)

Do you think this is a reasonable amount of time to get students interested enough to read blogs at home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post.  As a new teacher in the technology world, I have gone through many stages of blogging and came to the same realizations you have wrote about.  These are the very topics I plan to discuss with my staff at school year start as we embark on what I hope is a school wide blogging initiative.</p>
<p>I will be attempting some major blogging in my classroom.  I have set my routine to 15minutes a class to read and reply to blogs and 30mintes a week to writing blogs.  (this is in my IP10 class)</p>
<p>Do you think this is a reasonable amount of time to get students interested enough to read blogs at home?</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Chris Webb's comment: I completely agree with you, and I don't think blogging is dying/dead. In fact, I don't think blogging has come anywhere close to it's peak.  There are so many great ways we can bring blogs into the classroom, and I agree we need to start implementing and allowing time for dedicated reading and blog writing.  It is an untapped media for the most part.  Blogging can be very exposing (even if we feel no one is reading our posts), and it may take numerous attempts to place blogs in the right context for some students/teachers.  Many, I included, get so caught up in posting and podcasting that I often don't allow enough time to be a blog reader.  It is a great reminder, and an excellent learning opportunity for me before I actually choose to teach blogging.

Jarreds last blog post..&lt;a href="http://notyouraverageteacher.com/?p=50" rel="nofollow"&gt;Episode 8- Collaboration&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Chris Webb&#8217;s comment: I completely agree with you, and I don&#8217;t think blogging is dying/dead. In fact, I don&#8217;t think blogging has come anywhere close to it&#8217;s peak.  There are so many great ways we can bring blogs into the classroom, and I agree we need to start implementing and allowing time for dedicated reading and blog writing.  It is an untapped media for the most part.  Blogging can be very exposing (even if we feel no one is reading our posts), and it may take numerous attempts to place blogs in the right context for some students/teachers.  Many, I included, get so caught up in posting and podcasting that I often don&#8217;t allow enough time to be a blog reader.  It is a great reminder, and an excellent learning opportunity for me before I actually choose to teach blogging.</p>
<p>Jarreds last blog post..<a href="http://notyouraverageteacher.com/?p=50" rel="nofollow">Episode 8- Collaboration</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Schwier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Schwier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm introducing a year-long blogging activity in a  professional development course on teaching that I'm giving to new professors this year.  I want them to think about, read about and write about their teaching. I think that this post will be their first stop -- ever write a post that was a required reading for professors before? :-)  

Anyway, my biggest fear is that they will balk at going public with their reflections...that they will either avoid doing it, or be very careful, cautious and bland with what they share.  Your idea that blog postings "must flow from personal meaning" is important, but I'm really hoping they will be willing to share things that are both personal and meaningful.  I'll let you know how it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m introducing a year-long blogging activity in a  professional development course on teaching that I&#8217;m giving to new professors this year.  I want them to think about, read about and write about their teaching. I think that this post will be their first stop &#8212; ever write a post that was a required reading for professors before? <img src='http://ideasandthoughts.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Anyway, my biggest fear is that they will balk at going public with their reflections&#8230;that they will either avoid doing it, or be very careful, cautious and bland with what they share.  Your idea that blog postings &#8220;must flow from personal meaning&#8221; is important, but I&#8217;m really hoping they will be willing to share things that are both personal and meaningful.  I&#8217;ll let you know how it goes.</p>
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