Comments on: Why Privacy is Moot Point http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/ I'm here to learn, join me Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:08:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: A Digital Digression, Pt. 1 | Apace of Change http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-34003 A Digital Digression, Pt. 1 | Apace of Change Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:49:01 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-34003 [...] Shareski has blogged on these topics of privacy and digital identity before, and he and I seem to have similar thoughts about both of these [...] [...] Shareski has blogged on these topics of privacy and digital identity before, and he and I seem to have similar thoughts about both of these [...]

]]> By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » Blog Archive » I’m a hypocrite http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-28877 Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » Blog Archive » I’m a hypocrite Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:26:08 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-28877 [...] generally see the internet as a public place. I’ve also said as Scott McNealy has, that privacy is dead. While I do realize there are more safer places to engage in private activity, in general [...] [...] generally see the internet as a public place. I’ve also said as Scott McNealy has, that privacy is dead. While I do realize there are more safer places to engage in private activity, in general [...]

]]> By: Order for Closure « Classroom Queen: Expanding the Realm of Technology http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-28860 Order for Closure « Classroom Queen: Expanding the Realm of Technology Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:49:02 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-28860 [...] potential danger.I am also reminded of a blog post by Dean Shareski “Why Privacy is Moot Point” http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/ - Shareski points out that newspapers regularly publish children’s photos and names without [...] [...] potential danger.I am also reminded of a blog post by Dean Shareski “Why Privacy is Moot Point” http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/ – Shareski points out that newspapers regularly publish children’s photos and names without [...]

]]> By: Patrick http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-28083 Patrick Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:13:50 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-28083 Dean, Similar thoughts came to mind last week when the local weekly in the town where I work ran a photo of my 3-year-old son. The photographer who had taken the photo asked me for his name and I quickly gave it. No questions. However, when talking to a group of teachers about my family website, they were taken aback by the names and places I showed on the internet. "Don't you fear for their safety?" Of course I do, as does every parent. But we don't think for a minute about pictures in the newspaper being damaging, when they are far more likely than internet photos to do so. Dean,

Similar thoughts came to mind last week when the local weekly in the town where I work ran a photo of my 3-year-old son. The photographer who had taken the photo asked me for his name and I quickly gave it. No questions.

However, when talking to a group of teachers about my family website, they were taken aback by the names and places I showed on the internet. “Don’t you fear for their safety?”

Of course I do, as does every parent. But we don’t think for a minute about pictures in the newspaper being damaging, when they are far more likely than internet photos to do so.

]]> By: Kelly Christopherson http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-13477 Kelly Christopherson Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:48:55 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-13477 Dean, I completely agree with you on this issue. We spend so much energy worrying about the perpetrator who lives 100 or 1000 of miles away when we should be working at teaching our children to be safe on the net and safe in public. As a father with 4 girls, I'm more worried about the IMing than I am about web pages and pictures. We work at discussing what to do while in a city, how to avoid problems, how to avoid putting yourself in potentially bad situations and the other real life skills. At schools, we should be working on those technilcal literacies that will allow our children to be on the net and stay safe. With the advent of YouTube we need to work at work with students at discussing appropriate and inappropriate online behaviour. I get really confused by people who don't want anything to do with the internet through the school but will allow their child's picture in the paper, which goes online. As for information, google your name or use the 411 index - information is everywhere if someone wants it. I also agree with Stephen on his comment. As a principal, anything I say to anyone is for public record. Whatever I do will be interpretted, discussed and, eventually, get back to me. Some of us must realize that with the advent of phonecams, we can be "shot" any time and anywhere. So, we must continue to act accordingly. If you are worried that something you do will embarrass you, then you should probably figure out how to stop it. Really, a snapshot of a teacher sleeping in front of the class may embarrass the teacher but it puts the whole profession on notice. We are a profession. The movie <i>Teachers</i> has always been a favourite of mine because it really speaks about schools/learning and the whole big picture. It's kind of scary how that movie is still relevant today. Does he score? Kelly Dean,
I completely agree with you on this issue. We spend so much energy worrying about the perpetrator who lives 100 or 1000 of miles away when we should be working at teaching our children to be safe on the net and safe in public. As a father with 4 girls, I’m more worried about the IMing than I am about web pages and pictures. We work at discussing what to do while in a city, how to avoid problems, how to avoid putting yourself in potentially bad situations and the other real life skills. At schools, we should be working on those technilcal literacies that will allow our children to be on the net and stay safe. With the advent of YouTube we need to work at work with students at discussing appropriate and inappropriate online behaviour. I get really confused by people who don’t want anything to do with the internet through the school but will allow their child’s picture in the paper, which goes online. As for information, google your name or use the 411 index – information is everywhere if someone wants it. I also agree with Stephen on his comment. As a principal, anything I say to anyone is for public record. Whatever I do will be interpretted, discussed and, eventually, get back to me. Some of us must realize that with the advent of phonecams, we can be “shot” any time and anywhere. So, we must continue to act accordingly. If you are worried that something you do will embarrass you, then you should probably figure out how to stop it. Really, a snapshot of a teacher sleeping in front of the class may embarrass the teacher but it puts the whole profession on notice. We are a profession. The movie Teachers has always been a favourite of mine because it really speaks about schools/learning and the whole big picture. It’s kind of scary how that movie is still relevant today.
Does he score?
Kelly

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-13368 Dean Shareski Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:54:22 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-13368 Maybe we should be focusing on protecting ourselves from the evils of the newspaper. That is a great point, it's way more likely that the sex offence will occur from within the same town/city than from pervert living thousands of miles away. Maybe we should be focusing on protecting ourselves from the evils of the newspaper.

That is a great point, it’s way more likely that the sex offence will occur from within the same town/city than from pervert living thousands of miles away.

]]> By: Barry Dahl http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-13359 Barry Dahl Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:08:51 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-13359 Hi Dean, I agree with you completely on this. I have long wondered about why newspapers are treated so differently than online sources. Here's the one that kills me: a few times a year the paper prints their "all-something" team of high school girls (and boys) or even younger. For the softball players, they tell you where they go to school, what grade they are in, what position they play, and then post a nice head and shoulders photo (not a softball action photo) of the young lady. How hard would it be for the local freak to figure out when and where the next game is going to be played. Since I've got 25 registered sex offenders <a href="http://barrydahl.blogspot.com/2006/03/imagine-my-delight.html" rel="nofollow">living within a mile of my house</a>, you can imagine that I would rather have a picture of my 10-year old on the Internet rather than in the local paper. I'll still try to protect my kids the best I can (as will we all), but this whole "let's protect them here" but not over there is ridiculous. Hi Dean,
I agree with you completely on this. I have long wondered about why newspapers are treated so differently than online sources. Here’s the one that kills me: a few times a year the paper prints their “all-something” team of high school girls (and boys) or even younger. For the softball players, they tell you where they go to school, what grade they are in, what position they play, and then post a nice head and shoulders photo (not a softball action photo) of the young lady. How hard would it be for the local freak to figure out when and where the next game is going to be played.

Since I’ve got 25 registered sex offenders
living within a mile of my house, you can imagine that I would rather have a
picture of my 10-year old on the Internet rather than in the local paper.

I’ll still try to protect my kids the best I can (as will we all), but this whole “let’s protect them here” but not over there is ridiculous.

]]> By: John Martin http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/comment-page-1/#comment-13334 John Martin Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:52:33 +0000 http://ideasandthoughts.org/2007/01/04/why-privacy-is-moot-point/#comment-13334 Ok Dean the world wants to know, did Sam score? But seriously, this is a question that truly needs to be discussed with a mind toward where the future is taking us. I had a conversation the other day with a colleague over what it might mean if our institution outsourced its email and calendars to Google. The big concern was over what "if" Google sold or unintentionally or even intentionally accessed our so-called private information. There will no doubt be a lively discussion over this in the years to come and it is good that some folks are already beginning to consider its implications. Cheers, John http://edventures.whitemountaintech.net Ok Dean the world wants to know, did Sam score?

But seriously, this is a question that truly needs to be discussed with a mind toward where the future is taking us. I had a conversation the other day with a colleague over what it might mean if our institution outsourced its email and calendars to Google. The big concern was over what “if” Google sold or unintentionally or even intentionally accessed our so-called private information.

There will no doubt be a lively discussion over this in the years to come and it is good that some folks are already beginning to consider its implications.

Cheers,

John
http://edventures.whitemountaintech.net

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